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[Odyssey 1.1] Heavy Assault Cruisers

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#181 - 2013-07-18 14:24:20 UTC
Naomi Knight wrote:
One thing first:

Eagle needs a huge max lock range increase to begin with.

70km is way too low for a double 10% optimal range bonused ship , it is only 5km more than the deimos's...
increase it to 85km or more


Either that or just admit that the role of "medium turret sniper" is dead.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#182 - 2013-07-18 14:25:54 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
CCP Rise wrote:

Deimos
Heavy Assault Cruiser Bonuses:
10% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret falloff

Just so you know, there are charges beyond Antimatter and Null.
This would be much better served as a tracking bonus, since this ship is made for a MWD


Then it would just be an expensive slow thorax .... however it would be nice if they did an ammo rebalance as there are so many useless T1 ammo types out there that could be given a role

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#183 - 2013-07-18 14:26:17 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
This worries me for the T3 balance, many of these ships cant compete with the Navy balance pass. Will this mean T3 ships will be worse than T1?


Yup.
All hail the great "rebalance".
Nothing wrong with paying 400 M for a hull and subssytems, plus risk 3-5 days SP every time you fly it, for the privilege of gutting the rigs every time you want to change its role.

Yes, will be doing that instead of buying 20 T1 cruiser hulls that outperform the T2 and T3 equivalent.
Capqu
Half Empty
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#184 - 2013-07-18 14:26:53 UTC
stop giving hybrids ****** range bonuses

a 10% bonus on a hybrid to optimal is as good as a 5% bonus to optimal on a laser

either do 20% like the tengu or stop doing it, they only get half as much out of it as the other two gun systems

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5tVbVu9Mkg
Maximus Andendare
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#185 - 2013-07-18 14:26:54 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
ISHTAR - We are replacing the medium hybrid damage bonus with a drone bonus and removing one high slot to put its total 1 below the rest of the class, as is standard for drone-focused ships.

Role Bonus: 50% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty

Gallente Cruiser Bonuses:
10% bonus to drone tracking and optimal range(was 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage)
10% bonus to drone hitpoints and Damage

Heavy Assault Cruiser Bonuses:
5 km bonus to Drone operation range per level
50 m3 extra Drone Bay per level

Slot layout: 4H(-1), 5M, 5L; 4 turrets(+1), 0 launchers
Fittings: 700 PWG, 285 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1400(-6) / 1600(-18) / 2300(+191)
Capacitor (amount) : 1300(+175)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 185(-6) / .52 / 11700000 / 8.43s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 / 125
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 60km / 294 / 7
Sensor strength: 16 Magnetometric
Signature radius: 145
Well, initial thoughts on this: WHY IS THE ISHTAR STILL CRIPPLED BY ITS CPU?! Come on, it is the hardest ship to fit--by far--from its horrendous CPU. Even a Nexor has 310 CPU before skills! Second, remove the stupid drone bay bonus. Buff the bay to 375 and give the ship another, more useful bonus. This bonus is the most wasted one I can imagine. Don't make a drone ship *increase the drone bay* as a bonus. Give it another bonus that's more useful.

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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#186 - 2013-07-18 14:27:37 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Naomi Knight wrote:
One thing first:

Eagle needs a huge max lock range increase to begin with.

70km is way too low for a double 10% optimal range bonused ship , it is only 5km more than the deimos's...
increase it to 85km or more


Either that or just admit that the role of "medium turret sniper" is dead.


Malcanis what do you think of these changes or rather a lack of IMO?
What would you like CCP to change or add?

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Draconic Slayer
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#187 - 2013-07-18 14:28:10 UTC
XLASB VAGA

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Minerva Radisky
Perkone
Caldari State
#188 - 2013-07-18 14:28:25 UTC
Awesome! Can't wait to gate camp and fly some of the buffed ships, and looking forward to all of them filling their own niche instead of "hurry why fly X just fly a battlecruiser at half the cost."
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#189 - 2013-07-18 14:29:22 UTC
Won't really be able to know till testing but... The boost amount bonus on the vaga is probably going to be op... Best t2 shield resistances combined with a ship bonused asb? Expect temporary tanks of 2k with crystals and links...
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#190 - 2013-07-18 14:29:38 UTC
How about, instead of +50m³ drone hold/level for the Ishtar, you give it a base drone hold of 375m³ and a skill bonus of +5% CPU/level? P
David Kir
Hotbirds
#191 - 2013-07-18 14:30:22 UTC
Draconic Slayer wrote:
XLASB VAGA

OMGYAYAYAYESOMGYESTHANKYOUKIL2 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥


It'll be pretty damn effective in gang setups, you'll just have to mind your cycles, given the EHP.

Friends are like cows: if you eat them, they die.
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#192 - 2013-07-18 14:32:46 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:


DEIMOS
Gallente Cruiser Bonuses:

5% increase to MicroWarpdrive capacitor bonus



Fozzie and rise, please explain why this aborted fetus of a bonus is still attached to my deimos?
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#193 - 2013-07-18 14:33:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Harvey James
Also are cargobays being increased too match other cruisers as they are about half of what T1 cruisers have... the Vaga may need it.

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#194 - 2013-07-18 14:33:44 UTC
CCP Rise...can you give us a view of what niche the HAC is supposed to fill in the Eve patheon of ships?
To me at least, the term Assault means "hurting things".

What does it mean to you?

Given that the T1 equivalents can dish out more DPS in some cases, while at the same time, fit a healthy tank, why would anyone ever fly a HAC in heavy fighting? And that does not even factor in the cost issue of a 10:1 hull cost.
Fr0stle
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#195 - 2013-07-18 14:34:26 UTC
I'll just add my voice to the group and ask for some more CPU on the Ishtar. It was always CPU gimped and now we have all these new drone modules that are CPU heavy too. More CPU is needed to make this ship viable in it's intended role.
Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies
#196 - 2013-07-18 14:34:34 UTC
Tippia wrote:
How about, instead of +50m³ drone hold/level for the Ishtar, you give it a base drone hold of 375m³ and a skill bonus of +5% CPU/level? P

Or a role bonus of Can fit Co-processors in currently unfitable high slots.Big smile

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Esharan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#197 - 2013-07-18 14:36:44 UTC
Hi Rise,

I'm not important, but I fly a lot of Vagabonds and have for years.

I think the shield boost bonus is...just like totally useless. I mean its cool you added the speed bonus to the base stats; but the % of people that are going to plop a SB on a vagabond is so small because it's gonna lose its cap too fast with MWD/Shield Booster and lets face it, the Vagabond is a kiter.

Isn't there anything else you could slap on it? Tracking? ROF? even additional sig reduction like 4% per level so the Vaga has a real small signature radius - like frigate sized..idk.

The SB bonus just seems like an enormous waste of space.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#198 - 2013-07-18 14:36:54 UTC
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
CCP Rise wrote:


DEIMOS
Gallente Cruiser Bonuses:

5% increase to MicroWarpdrive capacitor bonus



Fozzie and rise, please explain why this aborted fetus of a bonus is still attached to my deimos?


Because its a good bonus?
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#199 - 2013-07-18 14:37:10 UTC
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
CCP Rise wrote:


DEIMOS
Gallente Cruiser Bonuses:

5% increase to MicroWarpdrive capacitor bonus



Fozzie and rise, please explain why this aborted fetus of a bonus is still attached to my deimos?


LOL
you could ask the same thing about the cerberus missile flight time bonus
Eagles shield resis bonus on a sniper... why? when it needs more dps a damage bonus would make sense here instead
Sacrilege cap bonus is also odd instead of a missile tracking bonus.
And ofc the old dronebay bonus .... seriously why? drone velocity makes sense with the range bonus on lights.

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#200 - 2013-07-18 14:38:39 UTC
Fr0stle wrote:
I'll just add my voice to the group and ask for some more CPU on the Ishtar. It was always CPU gimped and now we have all these new drone modules that are CPU heavy too. More CPU is needed to make this ship viable in it's intended role.


that and reducing CPU on all drone mods would make sense ... also add a drone tracking for the lows like a TE for drones.

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using