Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Nothing a huginn can't fix

Beam weapons got WAY too blappy.

with 10+ cruisers on grid shooting Aurora you can melt anything of the same size before they can close the gap and faction standard will continue the carnage before long point range, only if switching to gleam for brawling will the -10% tracking come into play, rendering the tracking completely useless as explained by many different posters already, +25% tracking ammo is WAY too weak, they need to be changed to at the very least +50% tracking.

as it is, on high optimal, its just a +25% damage bonus, period.

if artys got a 10% RoF buff instead of damage, to prevent the alpha from getting any crazier, why did the energy guns get +25% damage?

im not saying long range lazors don't need a buff, everyone agrees that energy guns in general need some love, specially long range. i'm just saying that damage wasn't the problem, the problem with long range lazors was the fact they were useless up close. now they are even more useless up close, while making doctrine use completely overpowered.

and the argument of "well they are long range, so... if you have to swich to Gleam you are using them wrong" only applies to a FC moving 50 nOmens or harbis into brawl range, only to whelp the fleet. (hypothetical doctrine here, don't flame). any FW dude flying a nOmen on his daily roam hunting plexers will never, ever, risk that "drawback" he will just fit Pulse lasers and shoot scorch.

why?, well because he can't dictate range outside of long point. so he can't shoot anything but multifrequency... only to be penalized with -10% tracking if he gets webbed. and he will, because of :armor:.

so the whole point of the changes to energy weapons is lost. no one who wouldn't have used them will, and the ones that would, will, but with a +25% damage modifier.

i feel this is one of those changes that needs to be reviewed under the "but what will 500 lazors do?" lenses.

the problem is, if you change the buff, then what else could the buff be? better tracking?, then you obsolete pulse. longer cycle with better damage? then why not just using artys instead... i honestly don't have an idea of what to do... so i guess more damage is fine. just not so much of it. maybe a flat +10%, with no tracking penalty.

and a review of the short range "long range" ammo would be nice, not only beam suffers with it. in the end, its the lack of flexibility that makes pilots go for what will work once the engagement is being played on the hostiles terms.

Soon™!

It's also about not stepping on Pulse Lasers too much, or ending up with some really weird balance issues around cap use.

Actually now that you mention it the cap on medium rails is going to suck now :|

yes, go back to page 19 and see my chart/post.

HMLs are about right, given the capabilities of the new cerberus.

After trying these changes out on the test server....

hell yeah +1. About time railguns / beams can be used effectively.

They're probably waiting for us to actually test the ships and modules on SiSi and then come back with constructive criticism based on real-world tests.

If they're sensible (and I think they are), they're probably going to ignore uninformed opinion, trolling, whining and tears.

Do a test. Log some numbers in the logging tool. Come back with the results of the test. Compare that with your experience of pre-1.1 modules. Discuss whether you can see a role for these new modules in TQ. This is what they will want to see. Anything else is of no value.

With two 3% implants, 3 CN BCU's and no missile rigs you can get a HML Tengu doing 650+ DPS @ 72km. That's pretty good for medium weapons imo.



Edit: That's not to say they are super duper on other hulls but between the Cerb and Tengu they can project a lot of DPS further than medium turrets.

HAM's already go almost 40km with the Cerb, heavies are irrelevant.

If you're shooting missiles 150km, it better be a well tackled capital or an Ihub. Not to mention how terrible their damage application is on anything moving.

RLM's are better and allow a pretty nice tank / mobility.