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Why nerf high sec?

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#561 - 2013-07-26 15:50:01 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Jenn, you still need to focus on the average player, it is evident that you are not an average player.


Nonsense, what's important is potential. Though i feel confident in my PVE skills, I'm not nearly the most brilliant PVE player ever born and I can drain enough isk from high sec by myself to plex 4 accounts and have more isk than it took to do that sitting in my wallet afterwards. At this point null expploration and anoms are a side ting I do when bored.

If you focus on average player, the average null sec PVE player is playing in a T1 BS or Assault Battlecruiser, becuase the average null sec grunt that needs is isn't going to keep a pirate or navy faction BS, tech3 or carrier for ratting. Only dedicated null pve players like me tend to do that.

Compare that to the largest Incursions community (TVP), where a 1400 malestrom or 1400 Tempest are listed as STARTER ships in the their artillery channel and the elite Machariel fitting listed in the same chat costs 5 bil and +6 implants are recommended.

Go to motsu or the systems surrounding Dodixie and Rens and sit on a station undock and count how many pirate BS and marauders and tech3s you see warping off to space nothing is in line with (meaning they are probably warping into a mission).

The point is there is and has been for sometimes a serious pve imbalance and common sens dictates that null players use high sec for isk generation though some do use null for that purpose. This is bad because people pveing' in null is better for the game because ship losses do occur there where as PVE loses in high sec tend to be small worthless ships (you can see this in the DEV blog about ship deaths).

Personally I'd love to not have to see high sec again, but it's just to convenient to ignore. The only pve ship I have left in null is Maelstrom and i also keep a domi on my alt for escalations (the domi reps the mael in 10/10s), but my machs and tengus and fleet phoons are all in high sec because it's great isk for little risk if you have a very little knowledge.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#562 - 2013-07-26 15:51:26 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
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I have already detailed the comparison on Incursions noting the issues around them including the elite part and comparing it to top level anomaly running, including escalations, I see no need to repeat that for a throw away comment.


Lol, "the elite part"? I apologize if DIN threw out your shitfit, but incursion communities are hardly elitist, they just don't allow bad players with bad ships to ride their coat-tails to free money.

I am beginning to wonder if you've ever done any. Because, we've already established that any nullsec experience you are drawing on is less than a dozen anoms, and anecdotes from un-named friends who are apparently kings of nullsec, exactly the kind of person I'd make up and then have agree with me if I were losing an argument this badly.

So, have you done any Incursions, either?


Elite part linking back to your high and lows, but feel free to invent whatever context takes your fancy.

Back at the name calling again, I have already detailed my experience and for you to think that I have run so few anoms makes me laugh hard.


No, elite linking to this:

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Incursions are a very high income earner but you have to sort out a pimped ship then try to get in with a load of elitist groups


They're not elitist. Most people are just bad.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#563 - 2013-07-26 15:59:40 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quote:
I have already detailed the comparison on Incursions noting the issues around them including the elite part and comparing it to top level anomaly running, including escalations, I see no need to repeat that for a throw away comment.


Lol, "the elite part"? I apologize if DIN threw out your shitfit, but incursion communities are hardly elitist, they just don't allow bad players with bad ships to ride their coat-tails to free money.

I am beginning to wonder if you've ever done any. Because, we've already established that any nullsec experience you are drawing on is less than a dozen anoms, and anecdotes from un-named friends who are apparently kings of nullsec, exactly the kind of person I'd make up and then have agree with me if I were losing an argument this badly.

So, have you done any Incursions, either?


Elite part linking back to your high and lows, but feel free to invent whatever context takes your fancy.

Back at the name calling again, I have already detailed my experience and for you to think that I have run so few anoms makes me laugh hard.


You know he meant complexes. By your own admission you experience is limited to a few dozen 10/10s, a 3rd of which you sold.

And that's what I keep telling you, you're experience is not deep enough to support the conclusions you've come to, yet you can't even understand that.

It's like those people who come to the missions forum asking if loot drops are borked after 8 or 9 complexes and we have to keep telling them about the random number generator lol. They think their limited experiences mean something.

See how you keep including escalations and such. Every real null PVe player knows you can't ever count on that, like all of us, I've had serious dry speels ( a 7 week dry spell) where even I was wondering if the game was broken (lol). In 5 years i've seen 2 officer spawns (1 in Fountain, one in Curse) and maybe a dozen hauler spawns.

Still, i can make billions per month in null, but I eventualyl ask myself "why" when I can make more than enough in high sec to plex 4 accounts, keep my pvp toon in ships if i choose to pvp (I haven't for a while) and not even have to keep an eye on local. Hellfire, with my remote rep Tengu team i sometimes do missions with, I can walk away from the computer for 3 hours, come back and still be alive in a high sec mission. If only you could make FoF missiles keep going after reload it would be the perfect afk set up lol.

You're arguing against facts and experience Drac, and that's pretty nonsensical to me. Everything I've said can be verified personally by you, you choose not to.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#564 - 2013-07-26 16:15:24 UTC
I rat in null because I can make more isk grouped or not. I mine and manufacture in high sec to make sure I have a steady income to keep me in ships should I not be able to ratt in null. That would be the only negative to ratting in null...possible roams coming through because you made your system glow red.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#565 - 2013-07-26 16:47:53 UTC
Jenn, you are not an average player, but there are always people who are better, its the way things are, also it comes back to effort too, most people want quick enjoyable ISK with little effort and look for that and that is what you have to look at. Anyway I am getting a bit tired flogging this to death, I guess I will just agree to disagree, but thanks for your insights.

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E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#566 - 2013-07-26 18:30:35 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Jenn, you are not an average player, but there are always people who are better, its the way things are, also it comes back to effort too, most people want quick enjoyable ISK with little effort and look for that and that is what you have to look at. Anyway I am getting a bit tired flogging this to death, I guess I will just agree to disagree, but thanks for your insights.


Correct, I enjoy pvp not mining and manufacturing and not so much ratting, but I have to do these to do what I enjoy, so it stands to reason I want to get max yield min effort/time.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#567 - 2013-07-26 19:43:05 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:


Correct, I enjoy pvp not mining and manufacturing and not so much ratting, but I have to do these to do what I enjoy, so it stands to reason I want to get max yield min effort/time.


Which is why I am investing in a high sec alt. Between the roams, cloaky blops scouts and the fact that people start to que up for anom access after you get 10 people in system its just not worth it.

High sec offers the best isk making due to unlimited missions, no downtime due to neutrals and an income not that far from anoms(It works out the same or better due to no downtime). Or incursions that offer better money.