EVE General Discussion

No matter which time i look at the ingame map null sec looks mostly empty. This logically implicates these areas are worthless, doesn´t it?

I said player, not character. Good lord, can you even read?

Or are you just going to spout off more anecdotal non-proof? "Yeah, uh, I knew somebody once who totally did that, and it was totally true, and stuff"

See what I mean, always excuses.

I'm not imagining testing my mach in null sec (45 mil per tick in angel space = 135 mil per hour is uninterupted in a system with enough of the proper anoms, 30 to 50 mil per tick in sansha , drone and BR space = 90 to 150 mil, 35 to 39 mil per tick in guristas andf Serpentis space = 105 to 117 mil per hour) vs testing the same mach in high sec (200 mil an hour sisters of EVE lvl missions in Osmon from isk and LP selling NOTHING but sisters probes, 200 mil plus farming various cosmos respawning areas and selling stuff like Maruder spurs and outlaw spurs or heads in jars)

That's not even counting incursions (90 to 180 mil per hour just in ISK not counting Lp that people sell in the mailing lists for 2k per lp) or high sec exploration (hit or miss and with some competition unless you live on a high sec island).

And what exactly do you have Dracvlad? A whole whopping 4 BRNS sites and some drone 10/10s (a 3rd of which reportedly sold to other people) and nothing else. You're the perfect example of what I'm talking about, you don't have enough experience to form an opinion, you have no evidence beyond "some people told me", and yet here you are disputing actual evidence from someone who has actually done these thigns in the game.

It's just bloody amazing how dumb that is. And you actually think that all those null sec deaths are fleet fights? Then please show me why EVE kill is full of pve fit carrier kills? Hell, how did I die then? did you even ever read the DEV blogs or QEN reports about ship kills in EVE?

So think you for proving my point, in that high sec people believe what they want to rather than verifiable evidence.

Well that is the only logic I could draw from your point, otherwise it made no sense as a single player can easily run the best anomalies with multiple accounts, who would have thought that?

Back to attempting to shoot the messenger, well clever people will go on Eve-Kill (if its up of course) and check out if I had actually been in 0.0, my kill board shows that quite easily, spot all the dead Goons!

All I have to do is keep pointing out that you think that you can make more ISK doing level 4's than doing anomalies, and this point destroys any other argument you have because people who have done both know its utter rubbish and quite rightly extrapolate from that.

Back to shooting the messenger, fail spluge on your part.

Osmon, hell yeah, my standing with sisters of Eve is 9.95 and 9.97 with Lozdod Pousel, is that experience enough for you?

So you know how much yo can make there, right? Why don't you tell everyone how much that is, and tell the truth, because they'll know if you're lying lol.

You don't even need a shiney ship if you know how to blitz missions. And of course your social skills need to be right.

But that's the point, you can do that in high sec under the protection of concord without even having to have local up, where as the same person using the same ship in null sec has to be watching local and intel and watching out for awoxxers while making less isk.

My Osmon Mach does 200 mil per hour (at the end of the hour i just convert probes to sisters probes and sell them right there, no need even to haul them the 6 jumps to jita). When those things take a price hit, it's 9 jumps to a Roden or Poteque agent or if that ain't working I find a CreoDon of Ishkone agent etc. Not nearly as good as sisters, but up there.

And if you know how to do it right, you'd know. but your problem is twofold:

You are perceiving null sec wrongly (notice how you always mention faction spawns and haulers, you know there is a less than 1% chance of those, right?) and probably misremebering how much isk you can make from certain things (not saying it isn't good isk and sometimes you can get luck,y I made 4 bil from a 6/10 once)

And

Not knowing how to properly milk the beejesus out of high sec. Sure many people don't, but that doesn't mean anything, what's important here is the potentials of the 2 zones.

LP stores (and the stuff that drops in open cosmos areas) aren't random like escalations, faction spawns and officers. The market is, but in 5 years of PVE experience, I've always found it to rebound. The simple, easily verifiable fact is that many null sec people use high sec alts for their isk instead of null sec is because in addition to being safer, if you know what you are doing you can make more isk much more consistently.

Your unwillingness to learn is a severe weakness that I'm hopeful you might overcome. But it's not looking good.

Actually its your side of the fence that keeps focussing on the 'me' part.

Your point that "The average highsec player income is higher than the average nullsec player income " is incorrect.

I draw attention to your "steady pace" thanks for that line!

I have already detailed the comparison on Incursions noting the issues around them including the elite part and comparing it to top level anomaly running, including escalations, I see no need to repeat that for a throw away comment.

Lol, "the elite part"? I apologize if DIN threw out your shitfit, but incursion communities are hardly elitist, they just don't allow bad players with bad ships to ride their coat-tails to free money.

I am beginning to wonder if you've ever done any. Because, we've already established that any nullsec experience you are drawing on is less than a dozen anoms, and anecdotes from un-named friends who are apparently kings of nullsec, exactly the kind of person I'd make up and then have agree with me if I were losing an argument this badly.

So, have you done any Incursions, either?