EVE General Discussion

Because.

Just because.

Most of the anti high sec arguments seem to sum up to "This is a sandbox, but this is MY sandbox! Your input, nor presence, is not wanted!"

I can't say he doesn't have a point...

I think that there are about 3 reasons why people want to nerf hisec.

1) Because it makes them sound "cool" around their internet friends.

2) Roleplay (James 315 is a good example and he also does it for the ISK, "tears" has very little to do with it regardless of what he tries to say)

3) Because they want "MOAR TARGETS", not because they look for a challenge mind you but some people play the game solely for killmails and nothing else. Easier hisec hunting means more killmails which makes them feel more special. I have talked to people that have admitted they would quit EVE if they took away killmails...pathetic.

Pretty much sums it up, I have heard other arguments but so far they have all been strawmen to help justify one of above reasons and not something valid that could stand on its own merit.

really??? you are talking about killing faction npc's and not "pirate" npc's yeah??

what I man is.. more missions similar to enemies abound etc etc...

I'd pose the opposite question to you.

Why not nerf highsec? It's become, thanks to some pretty loud QQ from various groups, rather more safe than it was ever intended to be. It stands out like the Blue Man Group in an A.A. meeting, especially compared to the other portions of the game, which are a complete 180 from highsec.

One could easily argue that it's disingenuous of the game as a whole, and leads new players to an unreasonable expectation of safety in the game, with disappointing results.

So, yeah, why not nerf highsec?

there's no 'nerf highsec' really

there's some 'nerf some things in highsec' related to basically free riskless industry, iskmaking, mining etc

but that's not to move people out of highsec who don't want to move. nobody wants that. (not even the 'they want more people to gank in low bloo bloo')

ideally most solo activities in highsec would be profitable and worth the doing, but there would be additional degrees of success for doing the activity in groups, at a pos, in an outpost, in lowsec, nullsec or wh space

as an example until recently there was no good reason to mine outside of highsec ever. the most valuable ores were in highsec (scordite), except for things like hedgerbite and jaspet which were only marginally better than scordite and so not worth the risk. ice was infinite in highsec and mined by bots or people who thought their time was free so there was no point mining the same ice in null or low for the resulting ridiculously low profit

the goal of the ice and mineral rebalance in odyssey was to make mining outside of highsec more worth the while, but keep mining in highsec viable

i don't actually know how successful the balance has been so i won't comment on the results, but i hope you see my point - it's not out of rage at highseccers or trying to move people to other areas of space, it's to create opportunites for people willing to grasp them

Nerf highsec because it needs a nerf.

well it's easy to dismiss people you don't like as insignificant

eve wouldn't be the same game if people weren't allowed to do those things. remember, their playstyle has been nerfed repeatedly often at the demands of people who refused to fight back themselves

there are two opposed ways to play, here, but both must be tolerated

i think you'd find a good deal of the playerbase would support the existence of organisations like those you've mentioned even if they don't do those activities themselves

e: or, rather, their right to have the ability to take the right to exist

I'm not sure I agree exactly with your wording but I won't object to those you mention being partial vectors ... if what you mention applies to 5% of the players it is one of the reasons
... reasons do not need to be universally applicable to be called a valid influence (dozens of vectors influence the speed of a race care among them friction, and air resistance both of which could be broken down in smaller segments such as of tire shape, tire material, fering and front end shape , lateral wind etc.

4) (and there are more) Do not want the logical highest risk/reward conclusion to encourage them to make isk in high sec. There are costs related to having access to 0.0 space such as being accountable to others and expected to show up to shoot posses and stuff in return for access to the space which may be more lucrative or even safe(im unsure how dangerous empire mission running is these days). The pain of stepping in line (kissing ass) and time shooting inanimate objects needs to be taken into account. Those things can be avoided in high sec, but the balance must include not isk per hour while ratting but also the time commitment that gave access to that space.
4a) Dealing with the pain is more fun if they know it is for a higher reward.

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