Ships & Modules

Kronos with rails is lacking ~ 100dps... with blasters sure but they are kinda sucky for missions

But Vindi with rails will pull same dps as varg can with autos it will have 30k opty not 3k and plenty of falloff as well add 5 sentry's and it rly pull forward.

Navy domi will out dps varg bu 200-400 dps using rails+ drones,

Golem and CNR will own Vargur

Paladin and NM will out dps it too.

TFI will out dps it as well...N mega should be able to out dps(*using rails and sentry) it too N apoc is close but what it lacks in raw dps it compensate with 80+k optimal and nice tracking.

i am forgetting few..oh n Armageddon will out dps it as well.

Overtanking it or undertanking it yield same result it is dead end skill wise t2 ship that is average at running missions and worse at rest of pve and for most part unusable for pvp and it cant use it own racial weapons.

It is good for missions sure but marauder description imply s it should be more than that and if faction ships is better than it than what marauder is supposed to be good at?

The 'Point' is that Vargur is good to average mission runner that you need to invest years of training time to fly in autocannon only variant while u can do same(faction ships) or BETTER(pirate ships) for half of training time that will also expand your skill to another race ships for example.

That is the 'Point' not your i am fine with what it does..some ppl see it potential and where it lacking..you are clearly not one of them.

EFT warrioring looks fun

Please... The fact that you cannot competently use this ship does not mean the ship is bad. I'll repeat myself once more: I flew both Vargur and Machariel and all I can say is that Vargur has nothing to be ashamed of.


Tru dat. Though it gets old very fast.

Sorry, I can't hear you through the sound of ISK hitting my wallet.

No, really. If you want to make me convinced, convince me by actual performance figures. This is not the first such dispute I've been to and probably not the last and the thing is, I don't give a damn about stats analysis. I only care about what really matters: how a ship performs in game. You still didn't make your case on these terms.

"Sorry, I can't hear you through the sound of ISK hitting my wallet."

lol like lol

I fly ships too and i do give a damn,that's why i am here advocating for ship that is with gimped PWG and is gimped in more ways than one.

And while it can deliver doing l4 there are simply better ships for that and when one expand it views above l4 missions it become apparent what i am talking about.

And lastly i am not here to convince you anything you responded to me disagreeing not other way around.



@ hellcane

i think that you will make more impact if you find EFT meme to link otherwise you are just mildly boring and even less contributing to discussion/argument/whatever..

"The time to pull out the vargur is when tank is important like high rated DED sites and possibly wormholes"

Mach can do those too maybe c5 emphasis in maybe in varg and even than if you are soloing it you are doing it wrong might as well mine gas in a omen.

Feeding the mach faction ammo, you get 30 dps more once you are 10km closer to the target. There are other differences that dictate which would be better based off of playstyle.

Super-tanking the vargur is the wrong way to go.

good luck in final pocket with 4 web towers and the antimatter channeler

I would hazard to say most of the navy battleships would also outperform the vargur in level 4s. Would also say Dominix (regular T1) would outperform.