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Almost an EXPLOIT: Unplugging Implants in Space
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seth Hendar
I love you miners
#41 - 2013-07-17 10:34:45 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
personally I just start right clicking the warp button when into low structure, your ship pops and your pod insta warps to your destination. Just keep moving and jump out of the system, if this is not possible, just keep moving or safe spot until your timers run out then self destruct your pod. Either way you shouldn't need to unplug any implants.

If you've got time to unplug your implants you are probably doing it wrong. But I have no problem with people unplugging, ejecting or whatever. I do not want new rules written into the client to prevent this, since when did eve start holding your hand or fluffing your ego.

1- this doesn't work 100% (well, if you are EU, it does, but ask NZ or Australians...)
2- this is not true in WH / null sec, if the gate is under 20 bubbles, no way your pod goes away
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#42 - 2013-07-17 10:36:30 UTC  |  Edited by: seth Hendar
Erutpar Ambient wrote:
Does the value of the implants in your pod affect bounty payout at all?

If not, who cares.
If so, fix it!

Might I suggest: Cannot plug or unplug implants in your pod in space? Gotta be in a ship to do it.

yes, it does

you have a bounty for the ship kill (bounty is based on total loss value)
you have a 2nd bounty, based on the pod value (actually, based on the implant value)

as for your proposal, the issue is not solved, one could still unplug during the 30 sec gate cloack, when he is still in his ship, and not under any kind of agression, but already knows is pod is to be destroyed.

for me, only way to plug unplug, is either in station or within a pos shield
Swiftstrike1
Swiftstrike Incorporated
#43 - 2013-07-17 10:50:53 UTC
Jasmine Assasin wrote:

Swiftstrike1 wrote:
ejecting from T3 cruisers to avoid losing skill points (fixed).

When was this fixed?

See this Dev Blog. The pertinent part is the very last paragraph.

Casual Incursion runner & Faction Warfare grunt, ex-Wormholer, ex-Nullbear.
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#44 - 2013-07-17 11:09:02 UTC
What the **** is this?

How/what/why is intentionally flushing what is probably billions of ISK an exploit?

You and whomever did that moronic thing should get married, your anal retentive focus on killmails/epeen makes that a match made in heaven.

In other news: Hospitals around the world report a sharp increase in trolls being admitted with split sides, foul play is suspected.
Effect One
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#45 - 2013-07-17 11:09:20 UTC
Why do you care?

'This might be internet spaceships, but it's not rocket science to protect yourself and fly with a little common sense' - CCP Falcon
Dring Dingle
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2013-07-17 11:19:29 UTC
What a sore looser.

Id never do that.

If you get beat fair and square. let the victor have his trophy!
Soylent Jade
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-07-17 13:13:30 UTC
1) Don't be a KM whore and don't worry about it.

2) IDK the idea of watching someone destroy 9 figures worth of ISK of their own stuff might be even more satisfying than doing it myself...kinda like watching them dig their own grave.

Making hisec better...one Catalyst at a time

minerbumping.com
Swiftstrike1
Swiftstrike Incorporated
#48 - 2013-07-17 13:18:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Swiftstrike1
Soylent Jade wrote:
1) Don't be a KM ***** and don't worry about it.

2) IDK the idea of watching someone destroy 9 figures worth of ISK of their own stuff might be even more satisfying than doing it myself...kinda like watching them dig their own grave.

The point is that you don't get to watch them do it. As it currently stands, you never find out if someone did this or not. They are able to cheat you of the satisfaction that comes with podding a dude with a full Slave set and the worst part is you never even find out that they are cheating you!

EDIT: cheat is a strong word. I don't mean it in the sense of breaking the rules, I mean it in the sense of an injustice.

Casual Incursion runner & Faction Warfare grunt, ex-Wormholer, ex-Nullbear.
Soylent Jade
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-07-17 13:26:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Soylent Jade
Swiftstrike1 wrote:
Soylent Jade wrote:
1) Don't be a KM ***** and don't worry about it.

2) IDK the idea of watching someone destroy 9 figures worth of ISK of their own stuff might be even more satisfying than doing it myself...kinda like watching them dig their own grave.

The point is that you don't get to watch them do it. As it currently stands, you never find out if someone did this or not. They are able to cheat you of the satisfaction that comes with podding a dude with a full Slave set and the worst part is you never even find out that they are cheating you!

EDIT: cheat is a strong word. I don't mean it in the sense of breaking the rules, I mean it in the sense of an injustice.


So how do you know they're even destroying a set of expensive implants unless they tell you, and how do you know they're not big fat liars? I wouldn't PvP with a billion ISK worth of implants, but the next time I'm in an empty clone and get podded, I think I'll tell my killer I destroyed an expensive set just to see if I can harvest some tears.

Making hisec better...one Catalyst at a time

minerbumping.com
Kabantik
Accidentally Seriously
#50 - 2013-07-17 18:18:05 UTC
Swiftstrike1 wrote:
Dear CCP Devs,

I recently watched a streaming service on Twitch TV (linked below) where the pilot got caught by a Sabre in his pod upon jumping through a gate in nullsec. The pilot opened his character sheet and unplugged all his implants before decloaking just to prevent them from showing up on his kill mail.

This is just as much an exploit as the old issues of self destructing a ship to cheat your enemies and ejecting from a Tech 3 cruiser before it was destroyed to prevent skill point loss.

Please fix this somehow. I suggest
*truncated*

Cancelling the skill queue, dumping implants and preparing for the worst, willingly ejecting from your cargo canned decloaked T3 (if you might have a chance) takes mad micromanagement, Especially when you FC.

Reward the innovative players not punish them. Not an exploit, not going to be removed.

TL;DR No
Manfred Hideous
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2013-07-17 18:36:03 UTC
Alexila Quant wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Because if they don't appear on the killmail, they're not really destroyed....?


The issue is with the inability to show and tell. A bit shallow a reason but that's the same reason they got rid of self destructing to cheat mails, so the argument is valid imo.


Well, if there's a bounty involved, then he's also affecting someone's ISK pull.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#52 - 2013-07-17 18:51:16 UTC
That inty pilot did it right and reading the amount of tears here makes it even more tasty.

Someone just figured out he could do this but didn't new about it and now is thinking about all those pod losses with expensive implants in his so important killboard.


Gaz thread.

Awesome

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Onomerous
Caldari Black Hand
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#53 - 2013-07-17 18:52:33 UTC
Not seeing a problem here. Sucks? Yes. Problem/Exploit? No.
Erutpar Ambient
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2013-07-17 18:57:51 UTC
OK guys, this is the deal.

If blowing up implants in a pod will affect the payout of a bounty, then this is an exploit against the bounty system.

If it doesn't affect the payout, then it's not an exploit and the person who got the kill will receive less satisfaction which lies outside of game mechanics and get over it.

How about this, you need access to fitting service to plug-unplug implants. So you need a station, ship maint array or maint hangar. So just like modules you can't plug/unplug alone in space. And just like modules you can't destroy in space either. (Without guns)
Doddy
Excidium.
#55 - 2013-07-17 20:01:35 UTC
To be honest i dont see why anyone would care enough about epeen to do it, or care about someone doing it.

It has a perfectly valid use in people who don't want anyone to know what implants they use, and is quite legit in that case. You can destroy rigs that way as well.

With bounty its irrelevant, if these guys didn't destroy the implants, they don't get the payout, simples. Why would the guy want to keep his bounty up anyway, is this more of that epeen thing?
Whitehound
#56 - 2013-07-17 20:22:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
The topic is a joke. If OP had not seen it in a video would he never have thought of it himself, but now is of course extremely butthurt over the find. OP could just apply the trick himself and levelled the score. It is not like players are being prevented from killmail whoring either, but see it as a legit trick to better their scores.

Nevertheless does it come down to having killmails or not having killmails. And since we have these "e-peen rewards" aka killmails should we have them all the way or not at all. So, OP has a point.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#57 - 2013-07-17 22:29:55 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
personally I just start right clicking the warp button when into low structure, your ship pops and your pod insta warps to your destination. Just keep moving and jump out of the system, if this is not possible, just keep moving or safe spot until your timers run out then self destruct your pod. Either way you shouldn't need to unplug any implants.

If you've got time to unplug your implants you are probably doing it wrong. But I have no problem with people unplugging, ejecting or whatever. I do not want new rules written into the client to prevent this, since when did eve start holding your hand or fluffing your ego.


Never seen the inside of a warp bubble have you?

I don't think this is a major issue - nor an exploit. Let 'em destroy their implants I say! It's really a hollow victory for them, let them have it :)


Of course I've seen the inside of a bubble given that I live predominantly in null or low, I've anchored plenty of them, if you expect bubbles they are actually ******* easy to avoid, only the lazy get caught in bubbles...

For eveyone else who is on ops you can use a blank jump clone.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Me ofcourse
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#58 - 2013-07-18 01:43:18 UTC
ok... the problem i see, along with most of everyone in here, is this:

When a person is podded, the implants are destroyed regardless, now if the person wants to unplug the implants let him, its not like it's going to drop or not, like ship modules. so considering this an exploit is stupid, as there is no difference to what happens to the implants.

Just as much as everyone loves seeing a 6 bill ++ implant clone killmail, it makes no difference to the game, so it is not classified as an exploit or anything close to one.

now if CCP makes it to where we are able to harvest implants from corpse's, then this will be a different issue, until then... no

TL;DR
No difference to what happens to the implants.
QUIT YOUR BITCHING
Daesul ShadoWind
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#59 - 2013-07-18 05:12:15 UTC
Consider it a strategic denial of killboard lols.
And a great victory for forum trolls and the tears it must bring you to know that you were seconds away from destroying a clone with a crystal omega set.
Get over it. Its far from an exploit and an in game function.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#60 - 2013-07-18 08:37:08 UTC
With all the other issue in EVE, THIS needs to be addressed?

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.