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D-Scan in WH Space

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Sinooko
Tharumec
Gespenster Kompanie
#1 - 2011-10-25 15:37:08 UTC
I live in WH space and I would like to set my D-Scan to auto-scan every 5 seconds and display results to overview. As it is tapping that button over and over is very tedious and is taking life from my poor mouse and the scanner window is taking up more of my screen's real estate than I can honestly spare.
Geldorf Drakar
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2011-10-25 15:49:35 UTC
-1

If you can't put forth the effort to click a button now and then while you're doing things, you shouldnt be doing them.
You're proposing to make D-scan the same as the overview, just less informative, but always there and updating.

D-scan makes you actually have to be at the PC, doing something, to keep from getting killed.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#3 - 2011-10-25 16:23:26 UTC
Fortunately I have two screens, I am actually mining in a WH right now. Unfortunately, while I am typing this I might miss a cloaked ship before it cloaks at the WH near me.

Expecting 100% attention and pressing a button over and over again is pretty ludicrous.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Wrath22
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#4 - 2011-10-25 17:02:21 UTC
Another thing is to color code dscan so friendlies pop up blue anyone else red sometime when I'm mining I start warping to pos then realizing its the other corps ship makes for feeling dumb very often... oh I only run I'm mining anyother time bring it hehe
Lord Mike007
Gypsy Tribe
#5 - 2011-10-25 17:22:19 UTC
Sinooko wrote:
I live in WH space and I would like to set my D-Scan to auto-scan every 5 seconds and display results to overview. As it is tapping that button over and over is very tedious and is taking life from my poor mouse and the scanner window is taking up more of my screen's real estate than I can honestly spare.



Maybe a overhaul of the active D-scan. Im glad that the troll who says you if you cant spare the time to do it........... turn auto scan off. I like the idea.
Dread Barista
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-10-25 20:21:21 UTC
WH's are supposed to be dangerous, having an automated warning system is just silly. Having that chance of not getting scanned down before cloaking when you start checking out someone's wh makes the hunt more fun, and the carebearing more dangerous (and the payoff reflects that). If you want to catch sight of everything that comes into system, you need to work for it, else they might as well make local work as normal (or some hybrid if you aren't cloaked you're in local).
Zanban
Lava Shark Productions
#7 - 2011-10-25 20:26:29 UTC
How about we just have a giant flashing red sign that says a non friendly is in your WH, his name is blah he's in a drake and this is his fit. Man WH are dangerous ccp made it that way for the reason you can make alot of isk, but to make the isk you have to take risks
Wrath22
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#8 - 2011-10-26 00:33:14 UTC
I was thinking about this topic today and realized if u live with another corp get together and agree on an initial to put in ships name that way you know it's a friendly... And about what everyone is saying I agree auto d scan is dumb. main reason being that if ur d scan is scaning every 5 seconds that means a new page pops up and refreshes and stays there for five seconds no change and auto anything makes people lazy next thing u know, u start looking at it every so often and bam you just got blown up for being lazy and not spamming d scan. Anything faster might aswell activate local and start calling uknown space to lowsec hehe
Jenshae Chiroptera
#9 - 2011-10-26 00:47:49 UTC
Where is the difference between me pressing it every 8 seconds and it automatically checking every 8 seconds?
You are still going to give my mining barge a hug with your covert ship in both cases, you are probably still going to tackle me and have your fleet warp in.

All that is happening is that I will be less attentive and stop having to press that silly button, over and over again.

WHs are causing D-scan to be used in a way that was not intended.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Sinooko
Tharumec
Gespenster Kompanie
#10 - 2011-10-26 03:09:16 UTC
People are assuming that I DON'T hit the scan button literally every 5 seconds. Many people in my corp have a habit of hitting that scan button religiously.

My corp uses tags to to verify that they are corporate ships as well.

I have had people sneak up on me because wormholes often appear out of range of D-Scan, therefore I have no idea that any danger has become present until it de-cloaks. It is also possible to pop through a wormhole and re-cloack before you pop up on a D-Scan. It's a roll of the dice.

My proposal not the same as local which warns you the moment someone hits system. I'm not asking for anything more advanced other than the auto refresh to save my precious laser mouse, and the option to load the info to overview so i can see my ship and it's epic graphics while I fly it instead of the scan window.

Besides any nitwit can take advantage of lazy pilots by changing the the name of their ship.

My proposal still requires vigilance and intelligence, just less clicky, clicky.
Maul555
Xen Investments
#11 - 2011-10-26 03:14:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Maul555
I agree. Dscan as it is doesn't work very well. For starters, from a role play point of view, its freaking count to potato re7arded. This is the future and I have no way to automate a button without macro cheating or something... And if you are a miner like me, the Dscan will literally destroy your mouse finger by the end of a multi-hour arkanor munch session. any game that requires that level of repetitive tedious monotony has something wrong with it. There is a compromise here. Have the Dscan auto update every 20-30 seconds or so, and keep the scan button for when you feel like being more aware. But keep it off of my overview please. I have more than enough stuff on there already. Scanner window should be separate IMHO...
Kazia Fey
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-10-26 03:45:36 UTC
Get yourself a decent gaming keyboard with macro keys.

PROBLEM BLAPPED.
Rina Asanari
CitadeI
#13 - 2011-10-26 07:40:14 UTC
In essence, computers and programs are initially designed to do repetitive, boring tasks. And clicking the scan button again and again and again definitely fits the definition.

So there's no reason for any designer not to let that do automatically. Maybe going even a bit further to analyze the results and put up a warning if there's something fishy in them, like a ship not having a certain identification. (for the more technical inclined -- pattern matching of the ships name against a given pattern containing the corp tag)
Soro Harbon
New Jovian Exploration Department
New Jovian Collective
#14 - 2011-10-26 10:49:32 UTC
I like the idea of D scan automatically updating at a set interval of say 3 times a minute, or even 6 times a minute while i'm mining, gas harvesting, or doing combat sites so I am essentially the hunted.

I'm even ok with the idea of newly scanned objects being highlighted but when I'm hunting can my tiny little probes not show up and give me a chance.

Would that give a better balance between hunted and hunter or would it just be a different balance?

Might stop all the RSI suits from wormholers in the future.

Damn I even mash that D scan button when I'm in hi sec Big smile

Things can always be improved: the battered Mars Bar, Scotland's other culinary delicacy

Soro Harbon
New Jovian Exploration Department
New Jovian Collective
#15 - 2011-10-26 10:51:15 UTC
Oh and while we're on D-scan can i have a slider for distance rather than memorising how many km in an au.

Things can always be improved: the battered Mars Bar, Scotland's other culinary delicacy

Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
#16 - 2011-10-26 12:08:36 UTC
Wow, people actually have a problem clicking DScan? I've been doing it so long it's habit now... don't even have to think about it. The most annoying aspect of dscan I've found is when I get to empire and keep clicking it anyhow, seeing it filled with all that mission litter and such.

Seeing a full dscan... it freaks me out.

Six months in the hole... it changes a man.

Sinooko
Tharumec
Gespenster Kompanie
#17 - 2011-10-26 19:05:33 UTC
Kazia Fey wrote:
Get yourself a decent gaming keyboard with macro keys.

PROBLEM BLAPPED.


You can assign that little scan button to a key!?

How!?
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2011-10-26 19:22:29 UTC
Sinooko wrote:
I live in WH space and I would like to set my D-Scan to auto-scan every 5 seconds and display results to overview. As it is tapping that button over and over is very tedious and is taking life from my poor mouse and the scanner window is taking up more of my screen's real estate than I can honestly spare.




and I want mine to auto warp to safe spot on detection of specified items.. then auto cloak while there..... (sic)

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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Mew
Doomheim
#19 - 2011-10-26 19:43:32 UTC
The scan probe update was very good. it works very well as a long range scanner. Its like something you see in tv shows and movies. its also works well as an in game tool. The D-scan could use a similar update, making it more in depth and satisfying to use. Its not that necessary but theres defiantly room for improvement on the current d-scan gameplay mechanic. It would also be a step in the right direction for ccp. After all the drama about Wis and the nex store it would good move to improve the core gameplay of eve.
Adunh Slavy
#20 - 2011-10-26 19:54:38 UTC
Take a look at section #3 of this doc, http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/AdunhSlavy/RSIV611.htm

Does pretty much everything that has been suggested in this thread, what I read read anyway.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt

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