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Report on POW treatment by Pyre Falcon Defence Combine

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Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#41 - 2013-07-16 01:41:27 UTC
Fishing is our especiality, Mr. Tuulinen!

Sabik now, Sabik forever

James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#42 - 2013-07-16 02:18:32 UTC
If I may ask you to clarify one point.

Will the product of the prisoners be used to support the States war effort?
Erys Charantes
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-07-16 02:34:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Erys Charantes
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I'll pass the idea up the chain. Frankly, command is already irritated by this whole thing, so I'm not sure what kind of buy-in I could get.

Who would make a good third-party and be willing to do the tour?


Pieter, I would be honored to act as a neutral party... Anyone who knows me at all, know full well I have no ties to larger factions, politically or militarily, and don't give one whit for either sides aspirations. Perhaps as one of several, I volunteer to deliver a neutral party report, with the Chairwomans permission.
Vikarion
Doomheim
#44 - 2013-07-16 03:28:40 UTC
Tali Ambraelle wrote:
And why was the initial policy of simply returning POWs to their home should they not be wanted criminals not effective in solving this? It set a good example.


Because the State and its soldiers are not generally stupid. The Federation suffers from a chronic manpower shortage in its military forces. Giving back trained forces, especially when we receive none in return, puts us at a disadvantage. And, despite your maniacal focus on how awesome the Federation is, we do not share your view, and are not obliged to try to lose the war to make all your dreams come true.

And, furthermore, it's a fine thing, a wonderful thing, to hear a Federation supporter upset about the treatment of POWs. Why, if she weren't a total and complete hypocrite, she might have even bothered to advocate better treatment of Caldari POWs, whose mistreatment at the hands of the Federation has become notorious, to the point that they have their own SCC cargo entry. Oh, and, of course, contrary to convention, the Gallente Federation makes every effort to terminate any prisoners of war who might possibly be rescued. Just try rescuing some from one of their Black Rise internment camps.

ColonelNick
Providence Guard
#45 - 2013-07-16 03:30:01 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
If I may ask you to clarify one point.

Will the product of the prisoners be used to support the States war effort?



I'm assuming the Mineral and Ore production to produce warships or modules. Primary industry after all.



Also, Pieter, these Guri's that are giving you trouble should be thankful. We have a less... accommodating ... policy on our prisoners of war here in the Guard. They would be wise to remember there are worse people out there (me) who have power over incarcerated enemy combatants.

Personally, i find the security camera footage very entertaining.



Also, these Gallenteans in particular obviously haven't seen what their Matari buddies across the border do to the Amarrians.



Anyway, just thought I'd share that.


Colonelnick, CEO
Providence Guard.

ColonelNick, CEO, Providence Guard, Callsign: "Codeine"

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#46 - 2013-07-16 03:38:32 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
If I may ask you to clarify one point.

Will the product of the prisoners be used to support the States war effort?


Whilst the Ore, Biofuels and other commodities produced by the Labour Contracts enter the Khanid market and thence to any one of a number endusers, the money from these contracts goes into the books of Pyre Falcon Defence Combine.

At present the money merely starts to amortise the startup costs for the penal infrastructure, but eventually it will be used to help fund operations. That being said the answer is that, yes, it supports our war effort - however it is sufficiently indirect that it does not break any regulations concerning forcing a POW to work against his former colleagues.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#47 - 2013-07-16 03:40:20 UTC
Erys Charantes wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I'll pass the idea up the chain. Frankly, command is already irritated by this whole thing, so I'm not sure what kind of buy-in I could get.

Who would make a good third-party and be willing to do the tour?


Pieter, I would be honored to act as a neutral party... Anyone who knows me at all, know full well I have no ties to larger factions, politically or militarily, and don't give one whit for either sides aspirations. Perhaps as one of several, I volunteer to deliver a neutral party report, with the Chairwomans permission.


Whilst I would consider you a fine candidate, the Chairwoman and our COO have both indicated that the report I gave is the sole concession that Pyre Falcon is willing to take at this time. I'd invite any of you to contact our officers directly should you have further comments to make.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#48 - 2013-07-16 03:41:11 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Fishing is our especiality, Mr. Tuulinen!



I regret that I have no business taking me into that part of space at present. I've always wanted to name my Crow "The One That Got Away."

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Rioghal Morgan
Pixel Navigators
AimogMart
#49 - 2013-07-16 03:52:55 UTC
If I recall correctly, when one of my corp mates lost a fight with a member of Pyre while they were deployed out our way, the survivors of his crew were returned to our home station after we arranged a trade of prisoners taken from another engagement. A fair and honorable deal if I've ever seen one.

While like any Gallentean, I'm less than thrilled to hear of anyone being given over to slavery, I would never call the Combine itself slavers.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#50 - 2013-07-16 04:01:39 UTC
Rioghal Morgan wrote:
If I recall correctly, when one of my corp mates lost a fight with a member of Pyre while they were deployed out our way, the survivors of his crew were returned to our home station after we arranged a trade of prisoners taken from another engagement. A fair and honorable deal if I've ever seen one.

While like any Gallentean, I'm less than thrilled to hear of anyone being given over to slavery, I would never call the Combine itself slavers.


I remember seeing paperwork on that transfer. Similar arrangements are still entirely possible - simply contact me with details of the number of POWs you have and the IDs of any of yours that we've reported in custody.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Rioghal Morgan
Pixel Navigators
AimogMart
#51 - 2013-07-16 04:18:20 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:


I remember seeing paperwork on that transfer. Similar arrangements are still entirely possible - simply contact me with details of the number of POWs you have and the IDs of any of yours that we've reported in custody.


I thank you for that. Fortunately, neither I nor my corporation hold any particular antipathy towards the State so I have some hope that we may not cross swords too often. The majority of State-allied pilots in my area seem to fly single-manned frigates anyway so the amount of prisoners taken from vessels allied to your corporation are negligible. I will keep the offer in mind should any of my guys run into yours however.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#52 - 2013-07-16 04:42:10 UTC
See people? It's that easy.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#53 - 2013-07-16 09:27:04 UTC
The pilots who are objecting to this need to understand one thing - there are many, many more capsuleers who would consider the taking and processing of POWs to be a waste of their time.

I were a Baseline crew member, I'd choose being on a well-supervised and humane work gang over slow death in a disintegrating wreck every time.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#54 - 2013-07-16 11:04:39 UTC
My offer stands.
I can take from you prisoners of only gallentean origin and help you process them free of charge.
No questions asked. No documents provided. Transfer of prisoners will be conducted through anonymous contractor.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Erys Charantes
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2013-07-16 11:24:27 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Erys Charantes wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I'll pass the idea up the chain. Frankly, command is already irritated by this whole thing, so I'm not sure what kind of buy-in I could get.

Who would make a good third-party and be willing to do the tour?


Pieter, I would be honored to act as a neutral party... Anyone who knows me at all, know full well I have no ties to larger factions, politically or militarily, and don't give one whit for either sides aspirations. Perhaps as one of several, I volunteer to deliver a neutral party report, with the Chairwomans permission.


Whilst I would consider you a fine candidate, the Chairwoman and our COO have both indicated that the report I gave is the sole concession that Pyre Falcon is willing to take at this time. I'd invite any of you to contact our officers directly should you have further comments to make.


It's fine Pieter. The offer, made to you, stands. Just let me know.
Anslo
Scope Works
#56 - 2013-07-16 13:55:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Diana Kim wrote:
My offer stands.
I can take from you prisoners of only gallentean origin and help you process them free of charge.
No questions asked. No documents provided. Transfer of prisoners will be conducted through anonymous contractor.


Stay edgy Diana.

On another note, I don't get why this is even a public thing? Let them do what they do. If you REALLY don't like it, grab your guns and load your ammo, it's that simple.

On ANOTHER anther note, I happily volunteer to tour these facilities as a respected, intellectual member of the capsuleer community. Very respected.

Yes.

(No really, I volunteer if you change your mind).

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#57 - 2013-07-16 14:30:01 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
My offer stands.
I can take from you prisoners of only gallentean origin and help you process them free of charge.
No questions asked. No documents provided. Transfer of prisoners will be conducted through anonymous contractor.


Stay edgy Diana.

On another note, I don't get why this is even a public thing? Let them do what they do. If you REALLY don't like it, grab your guns and load your ammo, it's that simple.

Because this is business offer. Even if they don't accept it, maybe someone else who wants to get rid of gallentean POWs would like to use my service. This is pure business, Mr. Anslo. I don't need to "grab my guns etc etc" for this. You either take it or no.

Anslo wrote:

On ANOTHER anther note, I happily volunteer to tour these facilities as a respected, intellectual member of the capsuleer community. Very respected.

Yes.

(No really, I volunteer if you change your mind).

Why would I provide you with this possibility? This won't be recreational facility, go entertain yourself touring in other places, gallentean.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#58 - 2013-07-16 14:30:41 UTC
I'm surprised that the labour market is reportedly so much more lucrative in the Kingdom, given that they buy into the Amarrian bloc's slave economy. One would have thought POWs operating under Caldari law wouldn't be a very attractive option to them when they could just buy more slaves.

Besides, with KK in need of an economic boost it would make more sense to me to put that workforce to use at home rather than abroad.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#59 - 2013-07-16 14:45:23 UTC
As much as people just love to claim otherwise, not everyone in the Kingdom - or the Empire, for that matter - is legally permitted to own or employ slaves, Verin. There's a lot of time-consuming (and expensive, in some cases) paperwork that needs to be done, and even then, those slaves are typically considered to be on something approximating a lease to the business-owner.

There are plenty of companies in the area that would benefit from having low-cost workers available to them as a result of Pyre Falcon's facilities. It's quicker, less dependent on local politics, and likely cheaper for the business-owners due to Pyre and those leasing them the land for their facilities footing some of the living costs.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#60 - 2013-07-16 14:56:48 UTC
Consider me educated.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders