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How many people have falcon alts?
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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#61 - 2013-07-15 19:06:15 UTC
Phaade wrote:
I divided the Cane from the zealot by jumping through and having the zealot follow me. I then burned back to the gate, jumped through, and proceeded to beat the hurricane into the ground, until his douchebag falcon alt logged in and landed on me.

Granted, my fit wasn't perfect (it is now), and they are only named mods...but meta guns can be quite effective with faction ammo.


A Logi alt would have resulted in the same thing. A Rapier alt would have let the cane pull range. A Curse alt would have stopped your guns. A DPS alt would have virtually guaranteed your death (though not necessarily prevent you from killing the cane).

Your issue is not with the Falcon or with ECM, it's with friends and prepared opponents. That is the risk you take when you run solo. The had a fallback plan, they were prepared, you were not.

Like I said earlier:

Friends are Overpowered. Nerf Friends.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Atlas Durham
Ancient Architects
#62 - 2013-07-15 19:56:16 UTC
This is why I absolutely love ECM.
Burseg Sardaukar
Free State Project
#63 - 2013-07-15 20:10:37 UTC
Change ECM from chance-based get-out-of-jail free card to a slot-disabling mechanic.

As outlined HERE!

Can't wait to dual box my Dust toon and EVE toon on the same machine!
Gneeznow
Ship spinners inc
#64 - 2013-07-15 20:17:06 UTC
ECM has been like this forever, it's a huge frustration to small gang pvpers, and that's why I have a falcon alt too, can't beat 'em - fit backup arrays on everything and have a falcon alt follow you around. In theory anyway, I'm actually too lazy to dual box anymore so I just fly cheap stuff with backup arrays and ECCM which isn't so hard to fit since the cruisers all got new slots all over the place.

Things have gotten a little better with those fitting options and those new skills for increasing your sensor strength. I'm still haunted by many a horrible incidents with ECM though, like being in a double ECCM ishtar with a sensor strength of 100 or something and catching a freighter, then some jerk in a falcon pops up out of nowhere and jams me for 40 seconds. It's pretty rage worthy
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#65 - 2013-07-15 20:21:15 UTC
Gneeznow wrote:
ECM has been like this forever, it's a huge frustration to small gang pvpers, and that's why I have a falcon alt too, can't beat 'em - fit backup arrays on everything and have a falcon alt follow you around. In theory anyway, I'm actually too lazy to dual box anymore so I just fly cheap stuff with backup arrays and ECCM which isn't so hard to fit since the cruisers all got new slots all over the place.

Things have gotten a little better with those fitting options and those new skills for increasing your sensor strength. I'm still haunted by many a horrible incidents with ECM though, like being in a double ECCM ishtar with a sensor strength of 100 or something and catching a freighter, then some jerk in a falcon pops up out of nowhere and jams me for 40 seconds. It's pretty rage worthy

Sentry drones.

Sentry drones.

Sentry drones.

This has been a public service announcement paid for by SENTRY DRONES.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2013-07-15 20:28:34 UTC
In Eve, a fair fight is a trap. You fell for the trap. Try not to do it again.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
DED Capsuleer
DED Drug Enforcement Department
#67 - 2013-07-15 21:00:51 UTC
Nor nearly as many as people who have off-grid booster alts.

The biggest problem with ECM is its "in your face" nature.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#68 - 2013-07-15 21:09:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
If people used FOF missiles more instead of complaining about falcons, we'd have Tech 2 FOF missiles.


Oh I know I know, you can't be a fleet click-F1 slave with FOFs so it's not metal. Right.

Oh and sentry drones. Thanks Darth.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
atpc
Lost in Space Inc.
#69 - 2013-07-15 22:06:06 UTC
I am a falcon alt

I also save my friends from deep structure. Lol
Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#70 - 2013-07-15 22:21:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Ephemeron
I think ECM does need some kind of adjustment.

I think repeated successful ECM jamming should come with a stacking penalty. That means if you jamm someone once, the next cycle should be harder to get. When you miss a cycle then next once is without stacking penalty

That way ECM can still be very powerful but prevent perma-jams.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#71 - 2013-07-15 22:23:20 UTC
DED Capsuleer wrote:
Nor nearly as many as people who have off-grid booster alts.

The biggest problem with ECM is its "in your face" nature.

Mmm, off-grid boosting.

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Alexis Humphrey
Tamplanet Inc
#72 - 2013-07-15 22:30:12 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Gneeznow wrote:
ECM has been like this forever, it's a huge frustration to small gang pvpers, and that's why I have a falcon alt too, can't beat 'em - fit backup arrays on everything and have a falcon alt follow you around. In theory anyway, I'm actually too lazy to dual box anymore so I just fly cheap stuff with backup arrays and ECCM which isn't so hard to fit since the cruisers all got new slots all over the place.

Things have gotten a little better with those fitting options and those new skills for increasing your sensor strength. I'm still haunted by many a horrible incidents with ECM though, like being in a double ECCM ishtar with a sensor strength of 100 or something and catching a freighter, then some jerk in a falcon pops up out of nowhere and jams me for 40 seconds. It's pretty rage worthy

Sentry drones.

Sentry drones.

Sentry drones.

This has been a public service announcement paid for by SENTRY DRONES.


Ah yes, those Sentry drones with their integral warp disruptors. They're really good.
Tiberius Mal
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2013-07-16 01:47:54 UTC
i like the idea of trying some fights without ECM, see what the game would do without it.
Gneeznow
Ship spinners inc
#74 - 2013-07-16 06:38:39 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Gneeznow wrote:
ECM has been like this forever, it's a huge frustration to small gang pvpers, and that's why I have a falcon alt too, can't beat 'em - fit backup arrays on everything and have a falcon alt follow you around. In theory anyway, I'm actually too lazy to dual box anymore so I just fly cheap stuff with backup arrays and ECCM which isn't so hard to fit since the cruisers all got new slots all over the place.

Things have gotten a little better with those fitting options and those new skills for increasing your sensor strength. I'm still haunted by many a horrible incidents with ECM though, like being in a double ECCM ishtar with a sensor strength of 100 or something and catching a freighter, then some jerk in a falcon pops up out of nowhere and jams me for 40 seconds. It's pretty rage worthy

Sentry drones.

Sentry drones.

Sentry drones.

This has been a public service announcement paid for by SENTRY DRONES.


Yeah I love how those sentries tackle stuff for me
Melikor Tissant
Odd Fluffy Bunnies
#75 - 2013-07-16 07:50:07 UTC
I have a blackbird alt.
He saved one of my chars in WHs several times from a ganker as I day-tripped there.
If the ganker brought a friend, he could have killed both of my chars though, as I suck at pvp.

I don't see anything wrong with it. You have a problem with a falcon or alts? bring a friend, or an alt.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#76 - 2013-07-16 19:06:18 UTC
Alexis Humphrey wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Gneeznow wrote:
ECM has been like this forever, it's a huge frustration to small gang pvpers, and that's why I have a falcon alt too, can't beat 'em - fit backup arrays on everything and have a falcon alt follow you around. In theory anyway, I'm actually too lazy to dual box anymore so I just fly cheap stuff with backup arrays and ECCM which isn't so hard to fit since the cruisers all got new slots all over the place.

Things have gotten a little better with those fitting options and those new skills for increasing your sensor strength. I'm still haunted by many a horrible incidents with ECM though, like being in a double ECCM ishtar with a sensor strength of 100 or something and catching a freighter, then some jerk in a falcon pops up out of nowhere and jams me for 40 seconds. It's pretty rage worthy

Sentry drones.

Sentry drones.

Sentry drones.

This has been a public service announcement paid for by SENTRY DRONES.


Ah yes, those Sentry drones with their integral warp disruptors. They're really good.

Because of the low EHP of the Falcon, Rook, and especially the Blackbird, Sentry Drones need not tackle anything.

Usually they're exploded in two volleys, less than enough time to align out if they weren't previously.

You'd be surprised how gutsy people can be when they think they have an "I win!" button.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Wingmate
Perkone
Caldari State
#77 - 2013-07-16 22:24:03 UTC
i made an alt a while ago titled "Because of Falcon". that dude sold faster than any i'd ever made =)

i make spreadsheets for pretty cheap. contact me for more info.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=197433