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Dring Dingle
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2013-07-15 04:30:37 UTC
there's a simple solution to fighting ECM - Drones....

Yes... you cant switch targets.... once jammed.

But if CCP ever gets around to making a drone INTERFACE! then there should be a priority setting for attack than can overrule current targets.

IE. SET DRONES TO PRIMARY ECM. or nuets or assult frigs or cruisers or a titan ETC ETC / whatever you decide to set it at.


That's the only problem i have with ecm. it shouldn't disable your ability to command your drones AS WELL as stop your targeting...



Dringy o7.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-07-15 04:30:44 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Tippia wrote:
I have a Falcon main, does that count?

Only if you use dps alts.

Masterstroke, right there. On the EVEO General Discussion forums.

I was there.

It was bad and you should feel bad for even pretending it was good.

I actually thought it was a thought-provoking comment that led one to ponder the meaning of "main" and "alt" in a world with isboxer and the like.


If choice are supposed to matter, why can we, as players, become masters of all trades?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#43 - 2013-07-15 04:35:15 UTC
Dring Dingle wrote:
there's a simple solution to fighting ECM - Drones....

Yes... you cant switch targets.... once jammed.

But if CCP ever gets around to making a drone INTERFACE! then there should be a priority setting for attack than can overrule current targets.

IE. SET DRONES TO PRIMARY ECM. or nuets or assult frigs or cruisers or a titan ETC ETC / whatever you decide to set it at.


That's the only problem i have with ecm. it shouldn't disable your ability to command your drones AS WELL as stop your targeting...



Dringy o7.


Or they could make ECM more of a defensive system where you blanket a zone around your ship with white noise making targetting a ship in that zone a real PITA but you could still lock targets out of the coverage of the ECM ship. Isn't that how ECM work on planes anyway?
Dring Dingle
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2013-07-15 04:54:40 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Dring Dingle wrote:
there's a simple solution to fighting ECM - Drones....

Yes... you cant switch targets.... once jammed.

But if CCP ever gets around to making a drone INTERFACE! then there should be a priority setting for attack than can overrule current targets.

IE. SET DRONES TO PRIMARY ECM. or nuets or assult frigs or cruisers or a titan ETC ETC / whatever you decide to set it at.


That's the only problem i have with ecm. it shouldn't disable your ability to command your drones AS WELL as stop your targeting...



Dringy o7.


Or they could make ECM more of a defensive system where you blanket a zone around your ship with white noise making targetting a ship in that zone a real PITA but you could still lock targets out of the coverage of the ECM ship. Isn't that how ECM work on planes anyway?



A change like that is way too drastic. that would require a very large bump in the ewar ships ehp. because they are effectively becoming brawlers.

I still think the answer lies with drone controll.


Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#45 - 2013-07-15 05:43:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Eugene Kerner
Phaade wrote:
Lately, I've been noticing a lot of what I consider to be not only pathetic, but just plain broken.

All forms of ewar, aside from ECM, are simple debuffs to certain aspects of your ship, and can usually be managed in a fight. ECM can not.

I am 50% into the structure of my target and his pal whilst soloing, and he lands his jackass falcon alt. Yay, perma jammed, fights over, I literally can do nothing but watch my ship blow up.

Anyone else see a problem with this? There are plenty of things that Ewar should do aside from break your lock, which is essentially a 20 second and spammable "stun."

Makes Soloing in PvP a lot less fun.


You loose, he wins. End of story. Come better prepared next time.
inb4 Falcon
http://zkillboard.com/detail/31919460/
I callout bullshit on this being a close fight

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#46 - 2013-07-15 06:07:08 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Eugene Kerner wrote:
Phaade wrote:
Lately, I've been noticing a lot of what I consider to be not only pathetic, but just plain broken.

All forms of ewar, aside from ECM, are simple debuffs to certain aspects of your ship, and can usually be managed in a fight. ECM can not.

I am 50% into the structure of my target and his pal whilst soloing, and he lands his jackass falcon alt. Yay, perma jammed, fights over, I literally can do nothing but watch my ship blow up.

Anyone else see a problem with this? There are plenty of things that Ewar should do aside from break your lock, which is essentially a 20 second and spammable "stun."

Makes Soloing in PvP a lot less fun.


You loose, he wins. End of story. Come better prepared next time.
inb4 Falcon
http://zkillboard.com/detail/31919460/
I callout bullshit on this being a close fight



Looks like most of the fight the Cane was the only thing on field. Depending on how long that was and if the Ferox had managed to close early, the Cane might have been in a lot of trouble. Ultimately, when 2 other people warped in, it was over. The cane might have died if they were both in, say, more Canes, but a Curse would have accomplished the same thing as the Falcon.

I'd say the OP is simply mad he didn't get the Cane he wanted in trade for his Ferox.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2013-07-15 06:59:39 UTC
Phaade wrote:
Anyone else see a problem with this? There are plenty of things that Ewar should do aside from break your lock, which is essentially a 20 second and spammable "stun."

Makes Soloing in PvP a lot less fun.


If you think that's bad, don't play WoW. It's now being called the World of Stuncraft.

At least the priests can't endlessly mana burn now. But there's so much CC that players are perma stunlocked and simply die.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
#48 - 2013-07-15 08:07:34 UTC
bloodknight2 wrote:
Bring 2 falcon alt with you.



I smoke two falcon in the morning,
I smoke two falcon at night.
I smoke two falcon in the afternoon,
It makes me feel all right.



.
Logical Chaos
Very Italian People
The Initiative.
#49 - 2013-07-15 08:19:11 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
I like ewar I think it should be buffed, its an under used resource, plus there are counters to it and skills you can learn to buff your sensor strength. Disruption cruisers exist to ruin your day, the falcon it seems did just that.


Mate, I can remember situations where my ECCM'ed Ishtar with Info Link that had like 50 sensor strength was jammed the full 60 seconds it took to deagress by a single blackbird.

Please don't say you can counter ECM, because randomness is not a counter. A Counter would be you could launch anti measures and if these happen to be within a small timescale of the activation of the ECM mod the ECM would malfunction.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#50 - 2013-07-15 08:35:22 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Logical Chaos wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
I like ewar I think it should be buffed, its an under used resource, plus there are counters to it and skills you can learn to buff your sensor strength. Disruption cruisers exist to ruin your day, the falcon it seems did just that.


Mate, I can remember situations where my ECCM'ed Ishtar with Info Link that had like 50 sensor strength was jammed the full 60 seconds it took to deagress by a single blackbird.

Please don't say you can counter ECM, because randomness is not a counter. A Counter would be you could launch anti measures and if these happen to be within a small timescale of the activation of the ECM mod the ECM would malfunction.


And everyone who's ever flown a Falcon can remember situations where they couldn't get a single (no ECCM) ship jammed with a full rack of jams.

RNG is R.

This isn't Streetfighter. You're confusing the lack of a hard counter with the lack of a counter. ECCM makes a successful Jam cycle less likely. That is a counter. There are many more. None of them are perfect, but in EVE, no counters are (with a very few exceptions*). And that's one of the great things about EVE.


* *Cough*NullifiedT3s*Cough*

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#51 - 2013-07-15 08:54:12 UTC
My main is the falcon and my alt is the DPS.

ECM > DPS in ''solo pvp''
Trin Javidan
Caymen Labs
#52 - 2013-07-15 09:08:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Trin Javidan
I have 5 falcon alts and i need them because people tend to use cheaper and better T1 ships versus my expensive solo faction T2 or pirate ships.
arabella blood
Keyboard Jihad
#53 - 2013-07-15 09:09:28 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Phaade wrote:
Anyone else see a problem with this? There are plenty of things that Ewar should do aside from break your lock, which is essentially a 20 second and spammable "stun."

Makes Soloing in PvP a lot less fun.


If you think that's bad, don't play WoW. It's now being called the World of Stuncraft.

At least the priests can't endlessly mana burn now. But there's so much CC that players are perma stunlocked and simply die.


You should try StunWars the old republic...its out of control Blink

Troll for hire. Cheap prices.

Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#54 - 2013-07-15 10:10:29 UTC
Fitting an EECM is so so difficult.

Staying out of range is so so difficult.

Running away if out fitted, out numbered, out smarted is so so difficult.

Eve is hard.
Jose Black
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2013-07-15 10:17:54 UTC
Have got 2 chars that could fly one with mediocre ecm skills.
The only Recons I've ever used though are Arazu (opening cynos), Pilgrim and Huginn for a total of maybe 10 hours.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#56 - 2013-07-15 10:56:37 UTC
My solution is simple. As soon as you know char X has falcon alt Y you add both to your watchlist and blueball them into eternity whenever you are out solo. I can't help the feeling oh wow, this is one crappy pvp experience whenever being jammed. So excuse me while I cloak up next to you, wait untill you go suspect, and act as a warp in for my buddies when your alt decloaks and susequently loses a T2 cruiser. Tough love.
Medarr
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2013-07-15 14:06:22 UTC
Miilla wrote:
Fitting an EECM is so so difficult.

Staying out of range is so so difficult.

Running away if out fitted, out numbered, out smarted is so so difficult.

Eve is hard.

This basically...

I imagine it went something like this
Quote:

Pew pew pew...

* Falcon lands on grid *

pew pew ....

Huh no lock... but... but...

* mashes lock button till he pops *

????

* Rages on forum *
Andrea Griffin
#58 - 2013-07-15 14:07:33 UTC
I don't have a Falcon alt - I have a Falcon main. : >

CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer.
Phaade
LowKey Ops
Snuffed Out
#59 - 2013-07-15 17:15:57 UTC
Eugene Kerner wrote:
Phaade wrote:
Lately, I've been noticing a lot of what I consider to be not only pathetic, but just plain broken.

All forms of ewar, aside from ECM, are simple debuffs to certain aspects of your ship, and can usually be managed in a fight. ECM can not.

I am 50% into the structure of my target and his pal whilst soloing, and he lands his jackass falcon alt. Yay, perma jammed, fights over, I literally can do nothing but watch my ship blow up.

Anyone else see a problem with this? There are plenty of things that Ewar should do aside from break your lock, which is essentially a 20 second and spammable "stun."

Makes Soloing in PvP a lot less fun.


You loose, he wins. End of story. Come better prepared next time.
inb4 Falcon
http://zkillboard.com/detail/31919460/
I callout bullshit on this being a close fight


I divided the Cane from the zealot by jumping through and having the zealot follow me. I then burned back to the gate, jumped through, and proceeded to beat the hurricane into the ground, until his douchebag falcon alt logged in and landed on me.

Granted, my fit wasn't perfect (it is now), and they are only named mods...but meta guns can be quite effective with faction ammo.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#60 - 2013-07-15 17:37:38 UTC
Phaade wrote:
Lately, I've been noticing a lot of what I consider to be not only pathetic, but just plain broken.

All forms of ewar, aside from ECM, are simple debuffs to certain aspects of your ship, and can usually be managed in a fight. ECM can not.

I am 50% into the structure of my target and his pal whilst soloing, and he lands his jackass falcon alt. Yay, perma jammed, fights over, I literally can do nothing but watch my ship blow up.

Anyone else see a problem with this? There are plenty of things that Ewar should do aside from break your lock, which is essentially a 20 second and spammable "stun."

Makes Soloing in PvP a lot less fun.


Falcon alts have been around for years....Are you new here?

And there is no such thing as "Solo" PVP in EVE.
It's what you bring, against what they can bring, with only new players not understanding that rule....

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