EVE General Discussion

Good God I'm gonna have to burn my keyboard. I actually agree with a goon on something.


He's right. Keeping the mothership in space while grinding the incursion is outright wrong. How do I know? Because when we were popping them to make a point about the incursions (early 2012 this was) the hate coming from the "entitled" players who had an ISK fountain and refused to admit it was very strong.


OK so highsec incursions provide a lot of ISK, and people are going to argue back and forth about incursions versus tech moons and all that. I get it.

But not engaging the mothership solely for the purpose of grinding the combat sites - these people know exactly what they are doing and any "reason" or excuse otherwise is outright bullshitting.

Were it up to me, the mothership would have a short duration time, and if it went away without being destroyed, there would be ZERO LP rewards for the entire incursion, and only 100 percent LP payout for those who actually engaged the mothership. Those who do not engage it would only get a payout based on the percentage of total sites they were involved in.

Letting the leader of an incursion get away, ignoring it to collect ISK, is game-breaking and against the concept of the incursion: you are supposed to destroy the enemy.


You see, it's true that popping the mom is NOT greifing. Why? It's simply not. But, real greifing is not find some hapless noob and driving him out of the game "for the lulz". That's street-level noobs greifing noobs and pretending they are leet. It's crap. It's taking candy from a baby.

Real good griefing is when you have people who set themselves up with a sense of entitlement, game a mechanic to snatch every last little ISK or advantage out of it, then when YOU act within the boundaries of the game mechanic they get butthurt and will come up with the most vile things to say to you, showing their weakness and their lies. That is good griefing! The lengths they went through with to stop the anti-mom fleet the last time was epic (and failed).


Now I know there will be more butthurt but again, what are people doing with all this ISK? Are they stupidly lobbing Tengus into gate camps all day? I don't think so. High sec incursion ISK-snatcher elitists are as bad as nullsec carebears getting butthurt over an AFK cloaker putting a damper on their anom-running.

I should start a roleplaying group that considers The Nation its greatest enemy and slays motherships wherever they appear without haste while prohibiting its pilots from flying Sansha abominations like Nightmares

Just so it's clear, ISN will pop moms from time to time, but they will never pop it early and will never pop the last mom in highsec (effectively killed any income). We are first and last an incursion community and see no benefit in killing the mom. Killing the mom is actually the least efficient site to do. Nowadays ISN are in a mom site only when we know it is in withdrawal, or someone is already going to do it and we are just contesting them.

Well here you go, if you have any more questions go ahead and ask maybe I can make this clearer.

i'm curious why do you run incursions when you're in a wormhole alliance

I don't know of any mothership killing campaign led by Goonswarm. I know that our incursion SIG headshot a mothership and got some scrubby incursion group (BTL I think?) angry and they talked about "funding our enemies" or whatever, so they did another headshot and laughed at them. Then they decided that banning our entire alliance *gasp* from running incursions with them would be a suitable punishment, even though Goonswarm members wouldn't be allowed to join incursion gangs anyway because we have ongoing wardecs all the time. vOv

ahahaha yes, clearly the loosely organized incursion runners who cry about dying to rats are a major threat to our space empire

And who are those "ISK-snatcher elitists"?

Notice how many high-sec Goon players are around?

Some background for you. (not in the posted order though). Blast from the past. All you need to know, complete with mullet.


Krissada

I really liked this CSM because he can rant better than I can


Darius III and butthurt

ohh that's cold, man. Cold (had to add this)


We touched your mom



Bears Fight Back

Uh, no.

And finally, a confession...

I still want to know why you guys would sooner gank freighters than pop moms. (imagine a third party seeing this terminology and thinking "WTF are they talking about?")


tl;dr at one time even the incursion runners thought they were OP and that prolonging them was too OP for ISK earning, and CCP did the usual "non nerf" my changing the payout for sites so vanguards could not be hyper-blitzed by shineys.

It happened about a year & a half ago ( so yes to answer your ignorance of it it has been done ) and Goons are still banned from my Incursion channel over it ( we got long memories), but we have a few Goon alts that I know of still in the channel. TBH I miss a few of the Goons that used to run in TDF ( /me waves to Villy )

Simple. Resource control.