Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Nullsec absolutely depends on a fast connection to Highsec with the current state of Nullsec ores and industry options.

CCP Fozzie: We don't intend any area of space to be completely independent of other areas.

The Reward of the Jump Freigther with in its role, is far too much compared to the risk.
Leaving the Alternative of building locally a non competitive option.

Removing Possible targets from Null sec for roamers.

Seems to be the introduction of the jump freighter was a simple dumbing down the game.
Get Moon goo, Sell Moon goo in Jita, Pick up ships in Jita, Return home to pick up more moon goo.
Things are changing, but until something is done with Jump freighters there is reason to go local when High sec chooses to have such a low mark up

JF's are a minute part of the problem of the sore/raw status of the Jita teat.

Industry ought to be engaging, require numerous people to get involved and an obscene amount of materials moving around .. sort of like the real world.

-Introduce hard limits to station/outpost ore capacities, those Planck bubbles are getting overworked and are in danger of complete collapse.
- Introduce external modules to stations (think services) if more than is 'normal' is wanted .. ie. modular system with everything beyond the core needing protection immediate/permanent protection.
** Basically the minimum requirements for a supply line system. Pirates have kids to feed too!

- Allow more than one outpost per system, base it on some arbitrary skill if need be.
- Make outposts destructible.
** Core system can have a massively upgraded sprawl of an outpost performing better than five individuals but more vulnerable to attack.

- Vastly decrease cyno efficiency when used for invasions, first thing should be space superiority and not just a random alt in a recon.
Consider changing jumping from a raw parsec value to a gates-passed type of thing, and apply detrimental effects to cyno/jump the further behind enemy lines you drop .. mandate a wardec requirement for any cyno X gates into targets space.
** Tweaking parsecs or cyno delay alone will be insufficient in curbing force projection .. people will just increase the blob, add more cyno alts/spies and continue to abuse the goodwill of the Empires who let them pitstop in their space (low-sec).

- Make mining matter! Boring as hell ... give us semi-permanent mining outposts on whopper asteroids, strip mining by the barrel of a gun (dps to break them up, mining vessel to hoover the whole thing) and some other way for cooperation to magnify output rather than just act as a base multiplier.
- Give us more options to get raw materials, why are all those pirate installations left as debris in space for instance .. strip those suckers down!
** Mining is so boring that it was for the longest time a bot job (bots are gone, surely!), making it varied and conducive to co-op play makes all the ills go away.

But as with all things, nothing of the sort will ever be. The extent of CCP's vision seems to amount to a timer deal on cynos and planetary belt mining, methinks they are scared of thinking big out of fear of the potential work they'd have to put in to reach high goals .. despite the fact that they have one of the biggest brain-trusts on the planet chomping at the bit to help them (ie. the player base)

0.0 logistic has been trivialized in the last years. Till will be more easy and convenient to jump in jita and import what needed from there a true industry will never grow there, simply becuase is not needed.

Also the current model (again, trivialization of the area operated in the last years) make not relevant living and operating (and fighhting to control) in these systems to hold sovreignity.

These 2 factors make everything mundane there. And turned the area in a giant consensual arena for capital fights. Abbandoned and marginalizzed in EVE development.

Yes, but indeed is not just a matter of nerfing JF.

However, even before JF null existed, and wasn't less populated, had large and small alliances, and was probably more alive than now.

And I don't think was harder for new players or small groups.
When I first moved in null I was like 2 months old, was barely able to pilot a BC and totally dependent from my corp for modules and all. Wasn't a large corp in a large alliance. We had few carriers and few industrialist, managed to set up a logistic system to import what we needed from HS and to build what we could build in there. We never needed to mine: minerals from loot reprocessing was generally enough.

Not saying have to be so, just to say that people organize and work problems out.

Its easy to live in Null if you get everything handed from your corp (Yes this coming from a Goon is rather ironic).
This only works because most corps/alliances have a few masochistic people that go out of their way to do logistic stuff and keep their friends well equipped. Logistic system is a nice euphemism for "somebody else do it"

Also: if your corp could get enough minerals for ship production from loot reprocessing, then you were a huge bunch of carebears. Thats not necessarily bad, but this wont work for pvp corps.

If you want to make 0.0 more sustainable you have to make it able to sustain itself first, station slots are far too low compared to highsec. So by nerfing transportation you aren't likely to see significant improvement in sufficiency when you hardly have enough slots in general to do anything. Sure there is plenty of ore and moon materials, but slots are the key element missing. Plus upgrading stations is so expensive it makes little sense considering you can lose it anyhow.

So nerfing JFs would likely make 0.0 even more of a ghost town.

cyno at low sec gate that leads to high sec jump to low then enter gate