EVE General Discussion

I bought up all the 'Item X' in region and now you have to pay 3x market to buy it. Did you consent to that? Sure you can buy it at the new price or go to another region, but either way, I have cost you ISK or time. Seeing as all you can lose in ship pew is ISK or time, I'd call it PVP.

You may call it anything you wish. It doesnt change it to that.

In the context of MMOs its not a correct statement. Since everyone is competing for resources one could then say ice mining is PvP which is obviously fallacious.

The generally accepted definition in the gamer community is combat.

In the gamer community, yes. In EVE? No. And if you don't think the market counts, then you haven't been on the recieving end of some good market PvP.

If you want entertaining pvp then create your own RvB entity with pvp rules that suit you and others who join you. No need to wait for the devs.

But Open world and freedom is pretty much the fundamental basis for the whole game. I don't know why you would play if you disagreed with that aspect?

Considering how PvP is so borked, yeah, I can see how PvPers can consider anything PvP.

I mean they gank. That's the sum of MMO PvP. Everything must be PvP then!

At least in a FPS game there's some objective to fight for. A cause.

Guy asleep at a gatecamp for 8hrs only objective is having a ship when he wakes up.

People are putting too much into PvP being "harder" and more "challenging". Even in WoW you can see the difference of an average raider vs an average PvPer...

Raider -- gemmed/enchanted/stats optimized and farms for better gear to get into HM raids.

PvPer -- No gems. No enchants. Never learned to optimize stats. He only wants to farm BGs. PvE is too hard.

Had an arena partner that was a great example that's even seen in EvE. 15 year-old kid. Naga mouse. Got every macro known programmed on it. Learned all of the tricks to look kewl among peers. But in arena, couldn't close...and he's DPS. Blamed everyone else, would even heal me (a healer) because he wasn't playing as a partner anyway -- but the basic arena strats, too hard to learn. He jumped into the BGs and that's all he knows and how he plays. To this day, does the same thing. All that talk and even macros, couldn't get past 1800 rating.

It's not PvP vs PvE. It's about applying yourself to be the best in things that you do. To have that self-respect to be an asset in a group, not just an ass.

Beautifully put.

And the alternative in World of Pandacraft is? Pet battles?

I am sincerely asking, since you are such a know-it-all and foretell prophecies like no one else can.

You must never have PVP'ed then. There are two wars going on right now with fleet fights being has and fun by all, or at least the winning side. There are plenty of people mutually shooting each other in space and many more performing in the subjects I listed earlier.

PVP is what you don't want. You wish that CCP would make ganking impossible and nul/low should have Concord. I've said it before; Perhaps this is not the game for you.

I imagine there are other games in space you could find that wouldn't offend your sensibilities.

So if i was to gank your ganking fleet but you also had a gank support fleet waiting incase someone was about the gank you would that make all of us gankers?.......

Ganking is only taking such a uper hand and fisting it into an unsuspecting target, so yes, all of us would technically be gankers. But this is what pvp is about, trying to have a uper hand.

Ganking is only a word that was invented to try to blame the attackers for bringing to much ship or to high of a opposing force.