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What is PVP to you and why do you like it?
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Robert Saint
The Grumpy Dogs
#1 - 2013-07-12 20:56:29 UTC
So EVE is a difficult game to figure out, as I try to balance my personal understanding of what Player Vs Player is.

Although, I have my personal view of what PVP, I would very much like to hear what anyone who is brave enough to post in GD.... as would others who read these threads.

Post with your MAIN, otherwise you're missing the point.

1) What is PVP to you?
2) Why do you like it?
Darth Khasei
Wavestar Business Ventures Inc.
#2 - 2013-07-12 21:02:11 UTC
Respect. Cool

The Market is my main pvp that I participate in personally. I have a econ degree and have always enjoyed numbers and business deals and EVE is perfect for that in the fact that as there is a ton of great competition.

I also fund some forms of ship to ship pvp to help those that enjoy EVE combat continue to do so at reasonable rates. Twisted
Anna Djan
Banana Corp
#3 - 2013-07-12 21:05:03 UTC
I try and solo pvp.

The game i like is if i can out think my opponent or achieve over the odds and win, based upon my knowledge of what i'm sporting compared to what they are bring and their experience. It doesn't always work out, but it's fun none the less :)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#4 - 2013-07-12 21:10:13 UTC
1) It is exactly that: player versus player. No more, no less.
2) Because other players can offer a level of opposition that scripting can never dream of.
Robert Saint
The Grumpy Dogs
#5 - 2013-07-12 21:15:59 UTC
Tippia wrote:
1) It is exactly that: player versus player. No more, no less.
2) Because other players can offer a level of opposition that scripting can never dream of.


You post often and I enjoy your well rounded thoughts.

Tell me, describe your ideal Player VS Player scenario where you find the most gaming thrill?
BiscuitMonsterr
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-07-12 21:17:36 UTC
Robert Saint wrote:
So EVE is a difficult game to figure out, as I try to balance my personal understanding of what Player Vs Player is.

Although, I have my personal view of what PVP, I would very much like to hear what anyone who is brave enough to post in GD.... as would others who read these threads.

Post with your MAIN, otherwise you're missing the point.

1) What is PVP to you?
2) Why do you like it?



1) To me, PvP is difficult, complicated, boring and pointless. I don't enjoy it, I'm no good at it, and in 10 years of MMOs, I've not yet ever felt I'm missing out on much by avoiding it. The closest I come to 'participating' in PvP is when I successfully come back from losec after a ninja mining trip without encountering another player; I consider those times PvP victories.

2) I don't.
Robert Saint
The Grumpy Dogs
#7 - 2013-07-12 21:28:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Saint
BiscuitMonsterr wrote:


1) To me, PvP is difficult, complicated, boring and pointless. I don't enjoy it, I'm no good at it, and in 10 years of MMOs, I've not yet ever felt I'm missing out on much by avoiding it. The closest I come to 'participating' in PvP is when I successfully come back from losec after a ninja mining trip without encountering another player; I consider those times PvP victories.

2) I don't.


This is a fantastic and honest answer..

thank you!


Question though: You most likely have played a game of Monopoly with someone before on the kitchen table. That is PVP in a sense, why is online so different? Is it the bully mentality that comes across?
Verunae Caseti
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-07-12 21:55:29 UTC
Any gameplay element, combat or otherwise in which the skills, experience and abilities of one player are pitted against another and one emerges the benefactor or victor.

Market trading is PvP (you're pitting your trading abilities and industrial abilities against other traders).

Avoiding PvP is PvP (you're pitting your ability to avoid combat against another's ability to hunt you down).

Scamming is PvP - your ability to be an ******* against other players' ability not to be gullible jackanapes.

Even "PvE" in low/null sec is really PvP, because you're pitting your ability to complete some piece of automated content before real players track you down and interfere.

And, yes, of course basic combat PvP is PvP. This, for some reason, seems to be what some people think is the be-all-end-all of PvP is, but of course they're wrong and I'm right.
Whackx
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-07-12 21:56:58 UTC
Winning through knowledge, creative thinking and timing rather than critical hits or grinded leet loot.
That's what PVP means to me as an EVE and Quake player.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#10 - 2013-07-12 22:01:26 UTC
Eve has sound?

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#11 - 2013-07-12 22:01:51 UTC
To me, PvP is pitting myself in an adversarial role against another player directly. Yes, the market is PvP, hell yes it is. But face-to-face, or at least ship-to-ship combat, is what it's all about.

Why do I like PvP? Knowing that on the other end of it, is a person. Not some bullshit (oh, no, I said that word, someone make a thread about it) AI program, but another human. It's competition, and I enjoy that. I enjoy the hunt, I enjoy roaming around looking for people to kill. And I enjoy knowing that my actions have an actual effect on a person, not simply some program that will respawn soon anyway.

In particular, I like the PvP in EVE because it represents actual loss. I like costing somebody a ship, or having to go get myself another one after I get blown up.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Robert Saint
The Grumpy Dogs
#12 - 2013-07-12 22:05:16 UTC
Verunae Caseti wrote:
Any gameplay element, combat or otherwise in which the skills, experience and abilities of one player are pitted against another and one emerges the benefactor or victor.



Verunae, I agree with your above statement.

Do you feel that it is more rewarding to win in a PVP matchup if the odds are somewhat technically equal, and your skill was the deciding factor? Or are you perfectly comfortable being part of a gang that defeats a solo player that didn't have a chance?

Which is more rewarding to you? Or are they the same value?
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#13 - 2013-07-12 22:19:05 UTC
"It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail."
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#14 - 2013-07-12 22:19:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
It's like when a fly is caught in the spider's web, struggling silently to save his life. There's something morbidly charming about that. I'm also intensely interested in the idea of using local as a psychological tool to instil fear and paranoia.

Oh god.
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-07-12 22:27:44 UTC
I'm pretty new to PvP myself. I mostly enjoy skulking around in my SB looking for soft targets or black ops fleets.

i should really get in scrub ship fleets and get better but my god i love bombers.

forums.  serious business.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#16 - 2013-07-12 22:28:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Robert Saint wrote:
Verunae Caseti wrote:
Any gameplay element, combat or otherwise in which the skills, experience and abilities of one player are pitted against another and one emerges the benefactor or victor.



Verunae, I agree with your above statement.

Do you feel that it is more rewarding to win in a PVP matchup if the odds are somewhat technically equal, and your skill was the deciding factor? Or are you perfectly comfortable being part of a gang that defeats a solo player that didn't have a chance?

Which is more rewarding to you? Or are they the same value?



To me, a kill is a kill. It means someone failed, and/or someone succeeded. Whether I succeeded in scouting him out and hunting him down with my gang, or whether I beat him straight up, it's still a kill.

Most people don't take the thought into account that there are a lot of factors besides "Oh they just had more people". No. They were better prepared than you, they batphoned faster/more efficiently than you did, they had a better fleet comp.

Or, you just didn't watch where you were going. A failure on your part is as good as a success on your adversary's part.

[Edit: Also, I reject the concept of equality as far it goes to "fair fights". No fights are fair and equal, except things like chess. And chess is boring as hell. Things being mixed up, different capabilities across the board, that's what make thing interesting.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Alavaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2013-07-12 22:29:47 UTC
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
I'm pretty new to PvP myself. I mostly enjoy skulking around in my SB looking for soft targets or black ops fleets.

PvP has taken a new turn in which I shoot torpedos at TEST Alliance Please Ignore (and various pets) structures.

I hear it "generates content" for them when they need to show up for the resulting timer.

Loyalty is a virtue, participation brings reward.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-07-12 22:34:15 UTC
PvP to me is the classic FPS definition: Player (human) vs Player (human) duking it out on a battlefield.

Not bots.

Not IsBox.

Not markets.

When I'm in arenas in WoW, that's not a NPC I'm fighting. He's not a BG IsBoxer. He's not playing the AH on his Android. He's a human in the same arena looking to kill an opponent. He has his UI and all setup for higher level of play; got his PvP addons and macros; and I'm there with my own (and in WoW if you don't have them, you're going to be clobbered). Who wins is who either came in with better/novel comps or more clever in countering attacks (which takes a lot of studying and you got to really know your class). The thrill is acing a higher ranked team as they're suppose to fight better.

Anything less is automation or non-fighting activities and just might as well call it PvE.

Markets I consider PvE, as well as Tradeskilling, as it's activity without direct armed combat. Something to do after the war, not the war itself.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Robert Saint
The Grumpy Dogs
#19 - 2013-07-12 22:36:20 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


To me, a kill is a kill. It means someone failed, and/or someone succeeded. Whether I succeeded in scouting him out and hunting him down with my gang, or whether I beat him straight up, it's still a kill.

Most people don't take the thought into account that there are a lot of factors besides "Oh they just had more people". No. They were better prepared than you, they batphoned faster/more efficiently than you did, they had a better fleet comp.

Or, you just didn't watch where you were going. A failure on your part is as good as a success on your adversary's part.

[Edit: Also, I reject the concept of equality as far it goes to "fair fights". No fights are fair and equal, except things like chess. And chess is boring as hell. Things being mixed up, different capabilities across the board, that's what make thing interesting.



That's a Fair answer.... although I do not agree with the weighted value/thrill of the kill as you do.
My nephew thinks as you do, and he's a good kid.
Djana Libra
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-07-12 22:36:40 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Eve has sound?


no
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