Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Eve is unique in a way, that it is the only game there is, where everybody can attack 1 target at once, so larger numbers will always (almost) win vs any other tactics. You cannot create chokepoint and use spartan tactics (300 elites vs hordes) etc. Which creates few problems, some welcomes them, some not. Generally there is negative attitude towards blobs so:

Partial solution might be reduced effectiveness of additional attackers to single target. Maybe by targeting signal disortion. Any additional attacker would disrupt all attackers targeting signal (lore: some sort of interference between signals), so they get reduced accuracy.

lore: weapon's targeting signal is different from basic target lock, only this type of signal is interfering, so no friendly locks to save ship, unless they are shooting:P

For example: fleet of ships doing 100 dps a ship targeting 1 enemy ship.
3 ships, no penalty 3*100 =300 dps.
4 ships, disortion of signal reduces accuracy of all attackers by 5%,4*95=380 dps
5 ships, disortion of additional ship further reduces accuracy of all attackers by 5%, to total 10%, 5*90 =450 dps
6 ships ........., 6*85=510
...

4ths ship raises fleet dps by only 80 dps
5th by 70
6th by 60
XYth by 0,00001 dps

Also add some formula about canon size vs signature radius - lore: It is less difficult to target large ship with smaller cannons.

For example 10 CRs can attack BS without penalty, but only 5 BS can attack BS without penalty. So you can still take caps with subcaps down etc.

(all numbers are out of thin air, just to show the principle, so pls don't dismiss idea because of them being op or gamebreaking)

Result:
- some blob effectiveness reducement, fewer ships with better tactics or fit will win vs larger numbers much more often.
- more weight on individual fitting, now you can acctualy take your better, more expensive fit to make a difference to really make a difference (if your bs gets targeted by 300 enemy bs, you can fit faction 6900 jesuschrist ninjaplates and it wont save you, but might if 300 bs can't fire at you effectively, you decide)
- whole new tactics, target prioritizing, fleet dividing on wings etc. Finding a good balance, whether you wish to bring additional ship on target and bring it down quicker, or put it on another target
- local repair boost. If carefully balanced, this will also solve loc rep uselessness in pvp.
- adds a whole new world of possibilities of module "levels" and add a little powercreep to the game, which is direct effect of individual weight increase (optional)

negatives - really hard to balance and implemet, cause it changes the game pretty drastically
more negatives: dunno, thats what are you forum guys for:) so

This sound like a great idea. I like it a little better than OPs idea, just because its a more direct solution. It wont effect the actual damage output of your ship.

I kinda like the resolution penalty. Would make it so if people need to take out, lets say, a Titan, everyone can actually lock the huge target, but also means if you want 15 - 25 people to focus on a carrier or a dreadnought, then you can do that as well. Also doesn't stop things from becoming targets, just will severely limit you if you want to have everyone primary something not very big.you can still use that tactic, just makes it kinda suck.

i wrote im my original post, that "weapon firing lock only disrupts the signal"so sure, you can shoot your FC if you want

or any of number different solution to prevent friendlies abusing this mechanic

But if the lock is only disrupted by ships firing weapons, not just targeting, then if the fleet you're fighting against is either disciplined or reliant on high alpha, low ROF weapons, then your change is useless. The FC calls the primary, counts down from three, then everyone shoots and the guy dies with the lock time penalty affecting precisely nothing.

1. Sentry (Dominix, rattler, gila, slowcat) format
2. assist drones to somebody
.........
Profit!

send 5x TD drones on a missile ship and and get reduction to incoming damage for free. Sounds like your idea can and will be abused in many ways.

The point is that it's the alpha that kills the ship. Your suggestion basically forces everyone to run alphafleets.

Friends are Overpowered. Nerf Friends.

Eve is not meant to be a sporting arena. Why shouldn't the group who can attract more people to their cause have an advantage?


Anyway, the development of modern fleet doctrines started when small numbers of ships with superior tactics and fittings started winning against larger, less organized fleets. Guess what happened? The larger fleets got organized.

You're asking for the smaller group to gain a relative advantage without, in any way, forcing them to have superior tactics and fittings. Also you're doing so in a way that doesn't really help them the way you think it will, and in a way that vastly buffs logistics (something that CCP has said they think is currently OP).

How does it not encourage alpha? If you have diminishing DPS, you might as well blow one guy apart in one go so no logistics can land anything. If you're using a fleet composition reliant on DPS, you're going to be a lot more affected by this, which will allow your opponent's logi to do thier thing that much easier.

Incidentally, how would multiple people targetting the same ship affect the damage done by an artillery shell the size of a car? Or a metal slug traveling at hypersonic velocities? Or a laser beam, gob of antimatter, or even a missile? If I hit you with a shell, the fact that 200 other people have also hit you with shells won't make mine somehow do a fraction of the damage it usually would.

How would this affect AOE weapons like bombs? And how would it affect shooting structures or caps? Would there be any DPS reduction at all on shooting them with BS?