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Members of the New Order should be banned!

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Frying Doom
#21 - 2013-07-12 14:42:51 UTC
Why does this look like yet another attempt by them to gain publicity.

Old News, Move along.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#22 - 2013-07-12 14:45:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Ryks Nalar wrote:
I'm just surprised that the New Order still exists.
Bearing in mind the name they have "New Order" is the name of a neo-**** religious group and their beliefs are similar, how does their name not violate half the rules on here:
http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-user-policy/

Maybe that's something that should be ticketed.

It's also the name of an 80's band (best known for the hit single "blue monday"), in fact googling the term New Order brings up links mainly relating to that band, ergo New Order is mostly associated with the band formerly known as Joy Division, not some crackpot neo-nasty religious group, and hence doesn't break the rules you linked.

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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2013-07-12 14:46:44 UTC
Ryks Nalar wrote:
I'm just surprised that the New Order still exists.
Bearing in mind the name they have "New Order" is the name of a neo-**** religious group and their beliefs are similar, how does their name not violate half the rules on here:
http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-user-policy/

Maybe that's something that should be ticketed.


That would open an even messier problem of players (especially Atheists) that have also created corps to mock religions and skirting the rules. They technically violated no rules with the names, but their message is well known.

Same with the Goons using waffe in their names, which can relate to Nazi Germany (Luftwaffe for example).

So if folks are going after what the names may imply, there's a lot of corps in EvE that will get those funny generic names due to it.

I'm not a PC type, but can see why games don't allow this stuff, because cleaning it up latter is a mess.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Ryks Nalar
Doomheim
#24 - 2013-07-12 14:48:30 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Ryks Nalar wrote:
I'm just surprised that the New Order still exists.
Bearing in mind the name they have "New Order" is the name of a neo-**** religious group and their beliefs are similar, how does their name not violate half the rules on here:
http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-user-policy/

Maybe that's something that should be ticketed.


It is both incredibly stupid and incredibly offensive to try and compare a "New Order" organisation in the game universe to real life extremist groups. "New Order" is nowhere near a violation of the user policy. Go back to spacelawyer school, because you are bad at it.

You are also genuinely a bad human being if you compare shooting spaceships in a game to real life bigotry and atrocities.

Hope this helps

Erm... No?
They are called New Order.
There is a real life religious organisation called New Order.
The rule states:
"Reflect, glorify or emulate any real-world group or organization, terrorist society, criminal elements, discriminating organizations or their leaders and figureheads. This includes the use of names of real-world military, political or religious groups."
The fact that they use the same name is clearly a violation.

The fact that they act in a fashion similar to the real New Order is simply my personal observation, and so is unrelated to the fact that their name violates policy.
Whitehound
#25 - 2013-07-12 14:50:09 UTC
They should be imprisoned in W-space without exits for a year. A W-space with no sleeper sites but only belts.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#26 - 2013-07-12 14:53:08 UTC
Ryks Nalar wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Ryks Nalar wrote:
I'm just surprised that the New Order still exists.
Bearing in mind the name they have "New Order" is the name of a neo-**** religious group and their beliefs are similar, how does their name not violate half the rules on here:
http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-user-policy/

Maybe that's something that should be ticketed.


It is both incredibly stupid and incredibly offensive to try and compare a "New Order" organisation in the game universe to real life extremist groups. "New Order" is nowhere near a violation of the user policy. Go back to spacelawyer school, because you are bad at it.

You are also genuinely a bad human being if you compare shooting spaceships in a game to real life bigotry and atrocities.

Hope this helps

Erm... No?
They are called New Order.
There is a real life religious organisation called New Order.
The rule states:
"Reflect, glorify or emulate any real-world group or organization, terrorist society, criminal elements, discriminating organizations or their leaders and figureheads. This includes the use of names of real-world military, political or religious groups."
The fact that they use the same name is clearly a violation.

The fact that they act in a fashion similar to the real New Order is simply my personal observation, and so is unrelated to the fact that their name violates policy.


There's also a band called new order.

And our actions are not glorifying or emulating any existent group or band.

Hope this helps, spacelawyer.
Verunae Caseti
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2013-07-12 14:53:51 UTC
When you reduce the art of trolling to basically "Saying really dumb stuff and waiting for people to notice" and you STILL can't do it successfully, you should really start asking some pressing questions of yourself.

If you find the experience of speaking to yourself disconerting, I suggest using a mirror to make it feel like a conversation. Just try not to lose your temper - you could end up with some nasty cuts.
Ryks Nalar
Doomheim
#28 - 2013-07-12 14:54:45 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Ryks Nalar wrote:
I'm just surprised that the New Order still exists.
Bearing in mind the name they have "New Order" is the name of a neo-**** religious group and their beliefs are similar, how does their name not violate half the rules on here:
http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-user-policy/

Maybe that's something that should be ticketed.

It's also the name of an 80's band (best known for the hit single "blue monday", in fact googling the term New Order brings up links mainly relating to that band, ergo New Order is mostly associated with the band formerly known as Joy Division, not some crackpot neo-nasty religious group, and hence doesn't break the rules you linked.

I should hope if you know anything about history at all though that you would recognise that the New Order is what Hitler was trying to bring about in WW2, which is why it is now the name of an organisation devoted to carrying on his beliefs.
There are literally hundreds of bands who's names would not be allowed by the EVE naming rules. There are names of bands that I'm not even allowed to post here, so the fact that it is also a band is beside the point.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#29 - 2013-07-12 14:55:25 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:

Same with the Goons using waffe in their names, which can relate to **** Germany (Luftwaffe for example).

Luftwaffe is still the name of the German Airforce so it can hardly be termed offensive, in fact Luft means Air, and Waffe is Arm(weapon) or Talon. So Goonwaffe literally translated would be thugs with weapons, rather apt.

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Ryks Nalar
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-07-12 14:56:25 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Ryks Nalar wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Ryks Nalar wrote:
I'm just surprised that the New Order still exists.
Bearing in mind the name they have "New Order" is the name of a neo-**** religious group and their beliefs are similar, how does their name not violate half the rules on here:
http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-user-policy/

Maybe that's something that should be ticketed.


It is both incredibly stupid and incredibly offensive to try and compare a "New Order" organisation in the game universe to real life extremist groups. "New Order" is nowhere near a violation of the user policy. Go back to spacelawyer school, because you are bad at it.

You are also genuinely a bad human being if you compare shooting spaceships in a game to real life bigotry and atrocities.

Hope this helps

Erm... No?
They are called New Order.
There is a real life religious organisation called New Order.
The rule states:
"Reflect, glorify or emulate any real-world group or organization, terrorist society, criminal elements, discriminating organizations or their leaders and figureheads. This includes the use of names of real-world military, political or religious groups."
The fact that they use the same name is clearly a violation.

The fact that they act in a fashion similar to the real New Order is simply my personal observation, and so is unrelated to the fact that their name violates policy.


There's also a band called new order.

And our actions are not glorifying or emulating any existent group or band.

Hope this helps, spacelawyer.

What you say the name was picked for doesn't really matter. I find it offensive for a bloody good reason, and so may many others. That's what matters.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#31 - 2013-07-12 15:00:33 UTC
Ryks Nalar wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Ryks Nalar wrote:
I'm just surprised that the New Order still exists.
Bearing in mind the name they have "New Order" is the name of a neo-**** religious group and their beliefs are similar, how does their name not violate half the rules on here:
http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-user-policy/

Maybe that's something that should be ticketed.

It's also the name of an 80's band (best known for the hit single "blue monday", in fact googling the term New Order brings up links mainly relating to that band, ergo New Order is mostly associated with the band formerly known as Joy Division, not some crackpot neo-nasty religious group, and hence doesn't break the rules you linked.

I should hope if you know anything about history at all though that you would recognise that the New Order is what ****** was trying to bring about in WW2, which is why it is now the name of an organisation devoted to carrying on his beliefs.
There are literally hundreds of bands who's names would not be allowed by the EVE naming rules. There are names of bands that I'm not even allowed to post here, so the fact that it is also a band is beside the point.

I'm well aware of the events of WW2, I've heard them first hand from people that fought in that particular war, and as a military brat it was a subject oft discussed in school. I've never heard of your particular New Order, I have heard of the band though, even seen them live. There again I have no time for quasi religious groups except in the satirical sense, and I definitely have no time for neo-nasty groups who follow the beliefs of a failed Austrian house painter and former Corporal.

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Verunae Caseti
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2013-07-12 15:03:27 UTC
TIL it's Goonwaffe and not GoonwaffLe.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-07-12 15:04:02 UTC
Ryks Nalar wrote:
What you say the name was picked for doesn't really matter. I find it offensive for a bloody good reason, and so may many others. That's what matters.


Are we're going to have Holocaust themed corp names next? Already there with all the religious bashing allowed in the game, and worse even racial. Roll

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#34 - 2013-07-12 15:05:22 UTC
ImmutableDark wrote:
So I was mining in High Sec listening to disco at my keyboard when all of a sudden what should happen? A group of TERRORISTS comes along and accuses me of mining without a license! I all of a sudden need a mining license to mine veldspar? They blow up my mining barge and demand that I pay homage to James 315, pay 10million isk a year to mine and put a message in my bio stating that James 315 is the savior of high sec among other things.

THIS IS HARASSMENT HIGH SEC IS SUPPOSED TO BE 100% SAFE FOR PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT TO FLY SPACESHIPS!!!!! I just want to fly spaceships and be happy! I want to run missions and mine! I don't see why I should fall victim to HACKERS who EXPLOIT the GAME MECHANICS to HARASS people. I'm a cripple and the only enjoyment I get out of life is watching timers go down in internet spaceship games. You're just losing CCP money when miners leave the game because you blew their hard earned ships up.


I'll admit, I actually laughed at this, now i feel like I'm going to hell because I laughed at a crippled guy lol/

8/10 at least.
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#35 - 2013-07-12 15:06:28 UTC
ImmutableDark wrote:
So I was mining in High Sec listening to disco at my keyboard when all of a sudden what should happen? A group of TERRORISTS comes along and accuses me of mining without a license! I all of a sudden need a mining license to mine veldspar? They blow up my mining barge and demand that I pay homage to James 315, pay 10million isk a year to mine and put a message in my bio stating that James 315 is the savior of high sec among other things.

THIS IS HARASSMENT HIGH SEC IS SUPPOSED TO BE 100% SAFE FOR PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT TO FLY SPACESHIPS!!!!! I just want to fly spaceships and be happy! I want to run missions and mine! I don't see why I should fall victim to HACKERS who EXPLOIT the GAME MECHANICS to HARASS people. I'm a cripple and the only enjoyment I get out of life is watching timers go down in internet spaceship games. You're just losing CCP money when miners leave the game because you blew their hard earned ships up.


Troll.
But worth a chuckle.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#36 - 2013-07-12 15:06:31 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Ryks Nalar wrote:
What you say the name was picked for doesn't really matter. I find it offensive for a bloody good reason, and so may many others. That's what matters.


Are we're going to have Holocaust themed corp names next? Already there with all the religious bashing allowed in the game, and worse even racial. Roll


The was a corp in the game called "The Final Solution". A day later i saw the same guys in "Amarr Corp 172056723321" lol.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2013-07-12 15:07:51 UTC
Verunae Caseti wrote:
TIL it's Goonwaffe and not GoonwaffLe.


It is Luftwaffe. Same as the Waffen-SS.

Folks know the meaning. This is mostly a European game and such things are much more personal there than in the US, they got hurt by it up close and personal.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Whitehound
#38 - 2013-07-12 15:12:25 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
It is Luftwaffe. Same as the Waffen-SS.

There is Waffle-Eisen, gefuellte Waffle and Eiswaffle, too! How can you be so sure it is NS-related?

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#39 - 2013-07-12 15:12:41 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Verunae Caseti wrote:
TIL it's Goonwaffe and not GoonwaffLe.


It is Luftwaffe. Same as the Waffen-SS.

Folks know the meaning. This is mostly a European game and such things are much more personal there than in the US, they got hurt by it up close and personal.


Waffe means "weapon". Translated thusly, Luftwaffe means "Air Force".

Any connotations you add to the definition of a word, are ones you add yourself. Your ignorance is appalling.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#40 - 2013-07-12 15:13:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Verunae Caseti wrote:
TIL it's Goonwaffe and not GoonwaffLe.


It is Luftwaffe. Same as the Waffen-SS.

Folks know the meaning. This is mostly a European game and such things are much more personal there than in the US, they got hurt by it up close and personal.

If it's so offensive why is the air component of the Bundeswehr still called the Luftwaffe?

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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