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AFK cloakers "working as intented"?

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Vol Volume
Misfits of the Unknown
Sigma Grindset
#1 - 2013-07-12 13:52:26 UTC
There has been a afk cloaker in popular mining system for some time now and reason why i opened topic for this was because most of older topics were closed.

I totaly understand that stealth bombers are tactical part of the pvp and fleet fights, but the way how they can also be used purely to ruin others way of income. This nice fella is a good example http://postimg.org/image/z5vfww2bn/ (this is indeed null sec so he dont hav any realistic risk of losing hes ship if he ganks someone)

I dont know hows brain fart it was to make cloaking time infinite, but i dont think it should be too hard to fix.
For example there could be a cycle time in cloaking systems or stealthers could be probed there are numerous ways of fixing this.
Thing what im amazed is that ccp havent done anything to this, unless if this is the way how bombers are ment to play. (some of the topics were from 2010 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1305952 )

There was a arquement in forums that "you should fly a tanked ships" well i dont even see how you can fit a mining barge/exhumer that it will survive stealth bombers attack.
"bring friend was another good one" still even if you had a friend playing a concord and watching you to mine. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=3526970 100mil was the price of hes nemesis with 70mil a faction scrambler" retriever/skiff/ hulk are all above 200mil but none of these can actualy survive a stealth bombejavascript:if%20(typeof%20posting=='undefined'||posting!=true)%20{posting=true;__doPostBack('forum$ctl00$PostReply','');}r assault.
Even if you bring your friend kills the bomber hes still feelings himself a realy succesful person.
Like i stated above risk of blowing up is a minimal.

This aint the issue thou, issue is that they can prevent people from earning their isk just by logging in and going afk, since you cant mine or you can mine but you will surely lose your ship when the afk cloaker happens to come back.
I hav myself 3 miners and orca booster and just 1 tard can stop me from earning isk what i need for plexes, even i think the eve is greatest game i hav ever played and want to support CCP im not going to pay 60e each month just that i can give some depraved tard hes fun.

CCP please do something about afk cloakers, there are always dicks who exploit things like this when you let them.

RaTTuS
BIG
#2 - 2013-07-12 13:54:55 UTC
if he is afk then there is no problem
if he is not afk then you may have a problem but all you have to do is not be afk yourself

http://eveboard.com/ub/419190933-134.png http://i.imgur.com/kYLoKrM.png

Vol Volume
Misfits of the Unknown
Sigma Grindset
#3 - 2013-07-12 13:58:08 UTC
RaTTuS wrote:
if he is afk then there is no problem
if he is not afk then you may have a problem but all you have to do is not be afk yourself


Didint come up whit anything more childish than that?
Im sure he would be kind enought to inform in local that hes back.
BadAssMcKill
Aliastra
#4 - 2013-07-12 14:07:16 UTC
This thread again
Tinker Vuld
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-07-12 14:12:33 UTC
Vol Volume wrote:
...

This aint the issue thou, issue is that they can prevent people from earning their isk just by logging in and going afk, since you cant mine or you can mine but you will surely lose your ship when the afk cloaker happens to come back.
I hav myself 3 miners and orca booster and just 1 tard can stop me from earning isk what i need for plexes, even i think the eve is greatest game i hav ever played and want to support CCP im not going to pay 60e each month just that i can give some depraved tard hes fun.

CCP please do something about afk cloakers, there are always dicks who exploit things like this when you let them.



Lets focus on this bit seeing as this is the issue you have.

So you are requesting CCP to change their game mechanics to suit your desired brain dead, isk grind play style so that you don't have to pay CCP any money. Ok.

How about you use the energy you have devoted to opening this new thread on an old topic to adapting your game to the existing mechanic instead of crying for CCPs help when things might appear challenging?

www.minerbumping.com - study it, live it, breathe it, for The Code shall set you free.

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#6 - 2013-07-12 14:14:10 UTC
BadAssMcKill wrote:
This thread again


It would seem... Obligatory:

Also, IBTL.




There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

flakeys
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-07-12 14:14:16 UTC
Vol Volume wrote:
There has been a afk cloaker in popular mining system for some time now and reason why i opened topic for this was because most of older topics were closed.

I totaly understand that stealth bombers are tactical part of the pvp and fleet fights, but the way how they can also be used purely to ruin others way of income. This nice fella is a good example http://postimg.org/image/z5vfww2bn/ (this is indeed null sec so he dont hav any realistic risk of losing hes ship if he ganks someone)

I dont know hows brain fart it was to make cloaking time infinite, but i dont think it should be too hard to fix.
For example there could be a cycle time in cloaking systems or stealthers could be probed there are numerous ways of fixing this.
Thing what im amazed is that ccp havent done anything to this, unless if this is the way how bombers are ment to play. (some of the topics were from 2010 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1305952 )

There was a arquement in forums that "you should fly a tanked ships" well i dont even see how you can fit a mining barge/exhumer that it will survive stealth bombers attack.
"bring friend was another good one" still even if you had a friend playing a concord and watching you to mine. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=3526970 100mil was the price of hes nemesis with 70mil a faction scrambler" retriever/skiff/ hulk are all above 200mil but none of these can actualy survive a stealth bombejavascript:if%20(typeof%20posting=='undefined'||posting!=true)%20{posting=true;__doPostBack('forum$ctl00$PostReply','');}r assault.
Even if you bring your friend kills the bomber hes still feelings himself a realy succesful person.
Like i stated above risk of blowing up is a minimal.

This aint the issue thou, issue is that they can prevent people from earning their isk just by logging in and going afk, since you cant mine or you can mine but you will surely lose your ship when the afk cloaker happens to come back.
I hav myself 3 miners and orca booster and just 1 tard can stop me from earning isk what i need for plexes, even i think the eve is greatest game i hav ever played and want to support CCP im not going to pay 60e each month just that i can give some depraved tard hes fun.

CCP please do something about afk cloakers, there are always dicks who exploit things like this when you let them.


Then move out of nullsec and go to Highsec .... No cloakers there just gankers.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Captain Stupid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-07-12 14:21:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Stupid
Posting for the first time in a cloaky afk whine thread. If I may, I will repeat a stock answer from the many similar threads.

"NOBODY has ever died to an afk cloaker. Ever."

HTFU.
Vol Volume
Misfits of the Unknown
Sigma Grindset
#9 - 2013-07-12 14:27:10 UTC

Then move out of nullsec and go to Highsec .... No cloakers there just gankers.

So i should move out because of some ******** game mechanic? So things cant be changed? If someone dont hav to wipe drool from your cheek every 2 minutes, you should understand that this is game mechanic what can easily be changed so that it dont prevent miners being totaly blocked.

So you are requesting CCP to change their game mechanics to suit your desired brain dead, isk grind play style so that you don't have to pay CCP any money. Ok.
Brain dead? its not that no matter how i watch the screen i cant survive a stealth bomber attack, since first time i see him is when i get scrambler and shot down in 10-15s. There is no pvp, there is no counter measures its just watching your ship being blown up.
Ravnik
Infinate Horizon
#10 - 2013-07-12 14:29:06 UTC
Seriously, this has been discussed to death. If people are afk then they CANT HURT YOU!! If you have 3 miners and an orca, surely you can have combat drones, which, let me think, if you launch 15 drones on a stealth bomber then he will probably go down pretty damn quick..or you could even use ecm drones.

Sometimes you have to work a bit at defending yourself, not just think you can sit in ls / null and not have any risk. Roll

The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long - and you have burned so very, very brightly..........

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#11 - 2013-07-12 14:29:19 UTC
Here's the thing. If he is in fact afk, then he is no threat to you.

If he isn't afk, then what he is doing is perfectly legitimate stalking of potential prey.

Either way, there is no problem here as far as game mechanics go. The only problem is the one you create for yourself.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Trudeaux Margaret
University of Caille
#12 - 2013-07-12 14:29:56 UTC
I've been living in null for a while now. Sometimes I fly around in a cloaky ship which is not a stealth bomber and does not have a cyno field generator equipped. It's just a little Merlin with a cloak. I fly around and explore and sometimes I'll cloak up for a while at a safe and look at the map/Dotlan to decide where to go next. I take my time and sip on a drink, cloaked in my safe spot.

I'm super-dangerous, yo.

> anyone willing to give me like a 5 min politics crash course?

> grr goons, lowsec is full of elitist sh*s, all roads lead to the bittervet pl

Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-07-12 14:31:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Derath Ellecon
Vol Volume wrote:
Thing what im amazed is that ccp havent done anything to this, unless if this is the way how bombers are ment to play. (some of the topics were from 2010 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1305952 )


Seems that would indicate an answer to your Subject question. Working as intended? Yes.

Vol Volume wrote:
There was a arquement in forums that "you should fly a tanked ships" well i dont even see how you can fit a mining barge/exhumer that it will survive stealth bombers attack.


A properly tanked mackinaw (just T1/T2 fit even) can get ~35k EHP. A lone bomber will take a good minute to chew through that. In the meantime your drones (you did pack drones right) will tear a bomber apart, or at least drive him off so you can warp away.

Same with a skiff, except you can get upwards of 70k EHP.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#14 - 2013-07-12 14:31:43 UTC
A cloaked player cannot prevent you doing anything, or kill you, or cyno in his buddies. He is cloaked, it is mechanically impossible for him to do these things.

An AFK player cannot prevent you doing anything, or kill you, or cyno in his buddies. He's not there, it's impossible for him to do these things.

What your real issue is, dear Bad EVE Player, is your own crippling cowardice and risk averse mentality. You understand that a cloaked player represents an unknown level of threat, and want it removed. Well sorry but that's not how it works. Nullsec is inherently risky and full of uncertainty - if you don't like this, go back to highsec.

Hope this helps
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#15 - 2013-07-12 14:32:13 UTC
Its the only counter to local.
SmokinDank
Horizon Research Group
#16 - 2013-07-12 14:32:36 UTC
Every time someone makes an AFK cloaking thread, god prevents a panhandler from getting a handout. Now some crusty dude ain't gonna get his fix, yo.

...

Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
#17 - 2013-07-12 14:37:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Anna Karhunen
AFKers as such are no threat by definition. But when it comes to gankers of any variety... Group up. Organize defence or have someone else do it for you. Find solution that keeps you reasonably safe, but don't ask CCP to solve the problem for you. This is supposed to be sandbox, not themepark.

Edit: Oh, and these threads make me want to acquire a tophat, monocle, tuxedo and cloak with the texk "AFK." Just because.

As my old maths teacher used to say: "Statistics are like bikinis: It's what they don't show that's interesting". -CCP Aporia

Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#18 - 2013-07-12 14:38:20 UTC
Vol Volume wrote:

Then move out of nullsec and go to Highsec .... No cloakers there just gankers.

So i should move out because of some ******** game mechanic? So things cant be changed? If someone dont hav to wipe drool from your cheek every 2 minutes, you should understand that this is game mechanic what can easily be changed so that it dont prevent miners being totaly blocked.


You should move out not because of some game mechanic but becaause you cannot deal with a risk component (that's core, intendeed EVE design, not a mechanic). Becuase in presence of a risk element instead of dealing with it (as 99% of EVE population do and have fun doing it) you feel the game should be changed to fit your unability.

So yes, move out, for sure you don't belong to null sec and probably you don't belong to EVE as well.


Vol Volume
Misfits of the Unknown
Sigma Grindset
#19 - 2013-07-12 14:39:55 UTC
Sure hes not a treath when hes afk, but if he happens to come back one in 60 minutes to check for anyone who hav dared to go mining. If you wanna gamble whit your mining ships then go ahead, but if you lose mining ship every 2-3 hours its gonna cost you way more than you make, where is the risk/isk value there?
Ravnik
Infinate Horizon
#20 - 2013-07-12 14:41:58 UTC
Vol Volume wrote:
Sure hes not a treath when hes afk, but if he happens to come back one in 60 minutes to check for anyone who hav dared to go mining. If you wanna gamble whit your mining ships then go ahead, but if you lose mining ship every 2-3 hours its gonna cost you way more than you make, where is the risk/isk value there?


Have you actually read anything that has been said? DRONES!!!! DRONES!!!!

Im thinking now that maybe you are a troll, so 7/10 for drawing us all in What?

Or is the problem here that you are actually AFK mining??? Shocked

The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long - and you have burned so very, very brightly..........

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