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Requesting EvE Prisons for Scammer and Traitors!

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#181 - 2013-07-12 16:43:23 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
CONCORD makes it hard to move around in hisec if your sec status is low, but I'm sure that is what you meant. Faction Navies only care about your faction standings, and are laughingly ineffective.


No, it's the faction navies that shoot you when you have a low sec status. CONCORD only shoots you when you have a GCC.

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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#182 - 2013-07-12 16:43:23 UTC
Milan Nantucket wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quote:
Sandbox is also player content. That means if they want prisons with public stocks for criminals, hey, it's a sandbox game...right???


Wow, you're even dumber than usual today.

No, you're wrong. Sandbox is player content.

What they are asking for is a CCP created solution to a "problem" that they just can't seem to get over.

They are asking for a developer solution to a player created problem.

If you want to "jail" them, fine, go do it yourself. But if you don't want to put any more work in than coming on the forums to whine, then no soup for you.


CCP does it all the time... look at safeties and the easy button on "exploration".

Problem:Players somehow shoot things in high sec or take something that ain't theirs and they complained.
Solution: Safeties.

Problem: What is triangulation... i never passed maths so how can I explore if I can't understand probes or basic geometry.
Solution: Click this button and we find it for you.

Problem: People getting ganked by true gate camps.
Solution: Warp to 0 and jump freighters


It's why the guy is on /ignore. All he spews is crap.

Devs design the sandbox how they want it to play, it's a misnomer to think players themselves create ALL the content in EvE (they don't).

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#183 - 2013-07-12 16:43:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Elizabeth Aideron wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Andski wrote:
What you're asking for amounts to a vote to suspend somebody's account, and CCP will never give players that power, ever. Scamming doesn't need consequences because being scammed is a consequence of being stupid. Hope this helps.


omg, are you unable to read? I do not want to give the player access to suspend the account, whats up with you? read the thread dude, we want consequences for scammers, are you a baby? no consequences for nothing you do?


putting someone in "prison" for the week is just suspending their account with a bit of embellishment


But he's right (in his own head at least), just look at all the valid points he's made in this thread (precisely none)

Ace Uoweme wrote:


It's why the guy is on /ignore. All he spews is crap.

Devs design the sandbox how they want it to play, it's a misnomer to think players themselves create ALL the content in EvE (they don't).

So sayeth the expert on talking utter bollocks.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#184 - 2013-07-12 16:45:32 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Andski wrote:
What you're asking for amounts to a vote to suspend somebody's account, and CCP will never give players that power, ever. Scamming doesn't need consequences because being scammed is a consequence of being stupid. Hope this helps.


omg, are you unable to read? I do not want to give the player access to suspend the account, whats up with you? read the thread dude, we want consequences for scammers, are you a baby? no consequences for nothing you do?


"What you're asking for amounts to a vote to suspect somebody's account"

Because, you know, I'm comparing this proposed "jail" of yours to an account suspension, because it's really not much different.

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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#185 - 2013-07-12 16:47:18 UTC
Andski wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Andski wrote:
What you're asking for amounts to a vote to suspend somebody's account, and CCP will never give players that power, ever. Scamming doesn't need consequences because being scammed is a consequence of being stupid. Hope this helps.


omg, are you unable to read? I do not want to give the player access to suspend the account, whats up with you? read the thread dude, we want consequences for scammers, are you a baby? no consequences for nothing you do?


"What you're asking for amounts to a vote to suspect somebody's account"

Because, you know, I'm comparing this proposed "jail" of yours to an account suspension, because it's really not much different.


I already reduced it to 1-24 hour prison, so you babies do not feel uncomfortable

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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#186 - 2013-07-12 16:48:13 UTC
Andski wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
CONCORD makes it hard to move around in hisec if your sec status is low, but I'm sure that is what you meant. Faction Navies only care about your faction standings, and are laughingly ineffective.


No, it's the faction navies that shoot you when you have a low sec status. CONCORD only shoots you when you have a GCC.


And both are worthless because the criminal can escape by podding, since NPCs don't kill pods like players can (and most of them don't bother as they're auto-piloting or in a rush).

So the Risks vs Rewards is even bypassed.

This is why being a criminal in EvE is as much as being a baby needing a pacifier to play.

The Risks need more teeth, not more pacifiers.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#187 - 2013-07-12 16:50:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Quote:

CCP does it all the time... look at safeties and the easy button on "exploration".

Problem:Players somehow shoot things in high sec or take something that ain't theirs and they complained.
Solution: Safeties.

Problem: What is triangulation... i never passed maths so how can I explore if I can't understand probes or basic geometry.
Solution: Click this button and we find it for you.

Problem: People getting ganked by true gate camps.
Solution: Warp to 0 and jump freighters



Two of those problems are quite different. Particularly because they aren't player created problems.

CCP said it best themselves, but I'll paraphrase. Having a clunky UI or cumbersome mechanics for something doesn't equate to the difficulties of EVE being a harsh universe.

The probing system, both times it got revamped, was harder than it needed to be. It's a bit too easy now, yeah, but that's still better than having poor design elements get in your way to accomplishing a task more than the mechanics of the difficulty.

It was harder to figure out how to probe, than it was to mathematically scan down sites. Triangulation aside, it was just too clunky.

Safeties? That I can see an argument for also. Many times my cat has jumped on my laptop and cost me a ship becaue he hit F1. Once again, punishments to the player for not being able to adhere to poor design elements is different.

Gatecamping? Eh, I have no answer for that. That one, I concede the point. Doesn't stop people from being moronic and autopiloting anyway, though.

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Quote:
I already reduced it to 1-24 hour prison, so you babies do not feel uncomfortable


Oh, ok, so the "babies" are the guys telling you to just play the game the way it already is, and totally not the guy who hopped on the forums and demanded (originally) 7 day bans for people who dared to hurt his precious feelings and take away his precious pixels, right? Roll

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#188 - 2013-07-12 16:51:05 UTC
Please, ISD, for the love of all that is EVE do NOT move this to F&I, we have enough bad threads there as it is.
We don't need another.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Elizabeth Aideron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#189 - 2013-07-12 16:52:26 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Andski wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
CONCORD makes it hard to move around in hisec if your sec status is low, but I'm sure that is what you meant. Faction Navies only care about your faction standings, and are laughingly ineffective.


No, it's the faction navies that shoot you when you have a low sec status. CONCORD only shoots you when you have a GCC.


And both are worthless because the criminal can escape by podding, since NPCs don't kill pods like players can (and most of them don't bother as they're auto-piloting or in a rush).

So the Risks vs Rewards is even bypassed.

This is why being a criminal in EvE is as much as being a baby needing a pacifier to play.

The Risks need more teeth, not more pacifiers.


the problem is that the people who are going to shoot outlaw pods are likely to be outlaws themselves (or not in highsec). hth
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#190 - 2013-07-12 16:54:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Ace Uoweme wrote:


And both are worthless because the criminal can escape by podding, since NPCs don't kill pods like players can (and most of them don't bother as they're auto-piloting or in a rush).


So what you're saying is that CCP should make Concord pod criminals because players are too damn lazy to do it themselves? GTFO.

If you want to instigate consequences for criminal activity beyond what already exists then get out there and encourage players to get off their collective backsides and do something about it, instead of relying on CCP to apply a band-aid.

It's up to players to provide consequences over and above the already existing ones, CCP have given the players a toolbox, it's up to the players to use it.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#191 - 2013-07-12 16:58:16 UTC
Well hey, if you want CONCORD to start shooting pods, I think all NPCs should shoot lingering pods.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#192 - 2013-07-12 17:00:06 UTC
Hey, maybe the prisons could be part of WiS? You get to walk around in the prison instead of the captains quarters!

Wonder how much soap on a rope would cost in the NEX store? Lol

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#193 - 2013-07-12 17:01:40 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Hey, maybe the prisons could be part of WiS? You get to walk around in the prison instead of the captains quarters!

Wonder how much soap on a rope would cost in the NEX store? Lol

Mimatar CQ, nuff said.

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Cassius Clayy
Dred Nots
#194 - 2013-07-12 17:01:51 UTC
0/10
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#195 - 2013-07-12 17:08:10 UTC
Cassius Clayy wrote:
0/10


blocked for missing content

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#196 - 2013-07-12 17:11:03 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Cassius Clayy wrote:
0/10


blocked for missing content


I've heard if you also cover your eyes with both hands people can't see you.



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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#197 - 2013-07-12 17:11:14 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Cassius Clayy wrote:
0/10


blocked for missing content


Oh, snap! What is he gonna do now!

It's not like blocking someone is basically throwing in the towel, no sir! Blocking someone shows everyone what a winner you are!

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#198 - 2013-07-12 17:13:27 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Cassius Clayy wrote:
0/10


blocked for missing content


I've heard if you also cover your eyes with both hands people can't see you.





was there a content? maybe you covered your eyes and did see it, just tell me

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SmokinDank
Horizon Research Group
#199 - 2013-07-12 17:15:56 UTC
10 pages of prison talk and no one has addressed the shower scene or girl on girl situation?

...
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#200 - 2013-07-12 17:16:45 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Cassius Clayy wrote:
0/10


blocked for missing content


I've heard if you also cover your eyes with both hands people can't see you.


Folks are put on /ignore because they can't even debate but by the lowest denominator. It's just a way to avoid even wasting time seeing what they spam. What they post back isn't worthy to even answer, no matter how they try to egg a response. Idea

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell