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EVE vs Startrek vs Starwars. who would win?
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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#161 - 2013-07-12 21:31:15 UTC
Melikor Tissant wrote:
There are several issues with the "eve will win" argument.
First off, both star trek and especially star wars are fighting inside the ships more often than non.

If it was just pure ship vs ship, eve would be formidable. Spider capital fleets, drones, support alpha fleets, bombers and cheap ass frigates fleets where you can die and come back 20 minutes later in a second huge frigate fleet, could decimate even borg ships or species 8472 with a 9-setup super weapon on hand.

But the problem would be the transporters being used to send infiltration units inside our ships, or freaking jedi coming into your titans and blowing them from the inside.

I'm sure that at the start of the fight eve ships would show force and win most battles.
But as our enemy adapt, we can't walk inside our ship. They can just enter a titan, do the funky dance as slow walk their way into the captain bridge, kill him, and as he wakes up in a different place, they use his titan to blow stuff up, or stop the spider carriers from repairing anything, or using the drones to attack the allies.

Eventually with the walk in station and walk in ships being decimated, we would lose.

So there, because of CCP abandoning the walk in ships, we would lose.
The devs have doomed us all.
Happy now?!


Secondly,
Species 8472 can destroy planets (let alone a station full of shiny ships) by using fluid space to bypass gate camps or cyno jammers, enter a space with just 9 ships, blow the planet and the stations, and get out.
So they can easily just destroy all of the logistics in several months by guerrilla fighting.

And there is the dark side battle stations where they just blow your precious stations with everything around it in a single shot while sending hundreds of drones to attack everything else.

And thirdly,
there is the ground area.
Dust isn't going to be enough, nor space bombardment with laser ravens, to right against armadas of starwars on the ground level.



Titans have crew as well.

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Rahmiro
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#162 - 2013-07-12 21:45:43 UTC
Easy peasy:

Which has the best MMO?

Like I said easy peasy.

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Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#163 - 2013-07-12 21:48:59 UTC
Rahmiro wrote:
Easy peasy:

Which has the best MMO?

Like I said easy peasy.


Oh, you clever girl you.

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Thaman Arnuad
The Caldarian Templars
#164 - 2013-07-12 22:24:41 UTC
Jorden Ishonen wrote:
I'd be more interested in an EVE vs. Mass Effect matchup.

Reapers facing off against the combined defense fleet above Earth, then suddenly a massive wormhole opens, Titan, dreadnoughts, and countless other ships pouring out, accompanied by a single message:

"We are home."


Chills from visualizing this
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
#165 - 2013-07-12 22:59:13 UTC
Well, Star Wars and Star Trek tech isn't locked down by needing jumpgates and cynos. Although in Star Wars I believe it would take days/weeks to gross the galaxy...not sure how long in Star Trek, but in Eve you can go from one edge of the galaxy to the other in minutes with a proper cyno chain. I think a Titan can doomsday a Super Star Destroyer, dunno if a Supercarrier would be able to take one down. Then again, fighter bombers are pretty well armored and can follow in warp, whereas tie fighters are unarmored and rely on their motherships to move them. If it were a full-on fleet battle, I think capsuleers would win simply due to overwhelming numbers... you could set clones close by and arrive with reinforcements mintues after dying, just overwhelm them with wave after wave, and capsuleer pockets run deep.
Apocryphal Noise
The Harpooner's Rest
#166 - 2013-07-12 23:35:22 UTC
It's not really a fair comparison. EVE is limited by reasonable game design. Things like 250km engagment ranges in space is of course ridiculous. In reality, we're capable of that with conventional weapons in modern times in the atmosphere, but it makes for a game that isn't bad.

Conversely, Star Wars is limited by whatever ridiculous thing the next awful expanded universe author can come up with. A jedi that can destroy a fleet across the universe while he's taking his morning ****. And Star Trek likewise, for story reasons, has to come with ever more sinister and powerful enemies with ever more ridiculous super weapons to keep the audience entertained. I mean if you defeated the borg it's ridiculous to think they'd lose to something less powerful than the borg so of course, they invent a species that can destroy the entire universe on a whim. And oh yea, they have a literal god on their spaceship. Ok kid.
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#167 - 2013-07-13 01:10:35 UTC
Eve win.
Star Trek and Star Wars are science fiction entertainment.
Eve is real.


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Takashi X2
State War Academy
Caldari State
#168 - 2013-07-13 03:41:53 UTC
I'd just like to add that the op said we got all the tech from this universe. Earth tech is still technically part of the eve universe. We see it in trailers and stuff. Think about what it takes to scratch Jove ships. Them remember that the Jove are woefully pathetic compared to Earth.
Ken 1138
State War Academy
Caldari State
#169 - 2013-07-13 04:08:11 UTC
Warhammer 40K, enough said.

"The warrior who acts out of honour cannot fail. His duty is honour itself. Even his death - if it is honourable - is a reward and can be no failure, for it has come through duty. Seek honour as you act, therefore, and you will know no fear."
Apocryphal Noise
The Harpooner's Rest
#170 - 2013-07-13 05:40:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Apocryphal Noise
Thaman Arnuad wrote:
Jorden Ishonen wrote:
I'd be more interested in an EVE vs. Mass Effect matchup.

Reapers facing off against the combined defense fleet above Earth, then suddenly a massive wormhole opens, Titan, dreadnoughts, and countless other ships pouring out, accompanied by a single message:

"We are home."


Chills from visualizing this


Doomsday free, siege green, deploy fighter bombers.
Melikor Tissant
Odd Fluffy Bunnies
#171 - 2013-07-13 07:53:49 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:



Titans have crew as well.

Really?

Have you been able to walk around your titan lately and look at what they are really doing?
I rest my case Lol
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#172 - 2013-07-13 07:57:15 UTC
Takashi X2 wrote:
I'd just like to add that the op said we got all the tech from this universe. Earth tech is still technically part of the eve universe. We see it in trailers and stuff. Think about what it takes to scratch Jove ships. Them remember that the Jove are woefully pathetic compared to Earth.


The trouble with your logic is that The Federation (Star Trek) is based on Earth. Earth is the seat of government for The Federation.

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Burl en Daire
M.O.M.S. Corp
#173 - 2013-07-13 09:18:25 UTC
Khoul Ay'd wrote:
Star Trek Technology vs EvE Solution
Tacheon Beam ------------>Tacheon Lazors
Photon Torpedoes--------->Firewalls o' Doom
Borg Invasion--------------->Shiny Incursion Fleets
Vanishing Wormholes ---->Sisters Probe Launcher
Tal Shiar---------------------->Jovian Directorate
Subspace Rifts-------------->Jump Drives
Ferengi------------------------>Caldari
Romulan Ale----------------->Quafe Zero
Genetic Superhumans---->Capsuleers
The Q-------------------------->The Devs

As best I can tell the only Star Trek technology superior to ours, the door to the Captain's Quarters!


Who would have thought that a jammed door would be our downfall. Dev->Q is beautiful.

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Klown Walk
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#174 - 2013-07-13 09:45:22 UTC
Concord Police Captain would win.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#175 - 2013-07-13 13:43:23 UTC
NotTheSmartestCookie wrote:
Mark Rain wrote:
Star Trek, they just beam aboard and shoot our one man crews....the end.


EVE has a 50 minute window of opportunity. Everyone who has ever watched a Star Trek episode knows that the *technobabble fluctuations* cause transporter/scanner/shield malfunctions that take about 50 minutes to be solved (including commercial breaks).

Luckily for us, should our plan not succeed within 50 minutes we can just claim to surrender, switch from armor to shield fleet so *technobabble fluctuations* strike again and have another go.



But we have node remapping...

Fortunately, that usually takes roughly 5-6 hours however.

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Sex Slave Girl
Absolute Order XVIII
Absolute Will
#176 - 2013-07-13 13:49:35 UTC
Klown Walk wrote:
Concord Police Captain would win.


Yes, Concord will obviously beat Startrek and Star Wars at the same time.

That is if we fight in high sec.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#177 - 2013-07-13 15:03:39 UTC
Melikor Tissant wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:



Titans have crew as well.

Really?

Have you been able to walk around your titan lately and look at what they are really doing?
I rest my case Lol



http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Titans#Crew

Thank you come again.

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Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#178 - 2013-07-13 15:38:08 UTC
Mass Effect universe with Synthesis ending vs EvE universe is far more interesting.
Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#179 - 2013-07-14 08:24:17 UTC
Nyancat Audeles wrote:
Mass Effect universe with Synthesis ending vs EvE universe is far more interesting.



sort of, but still ships in mass effect are not constrained by EVE game rules as someone said before, and would probably still mop the floor with us.


I think the most reasoble would be to compare EVE with something like say Freespace fleets, shivans maybe?

or homeworld.
Gorn Arming
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#180 - 2013-07-14 09:17:44 UTC
The Borg beam a single drone onto the Death Star, and a few days later Assimilated Vader take the Borg Star to Jita, where he uses it to bump the **** out of some freighters.