EVE General Discussion

At which point they won't be able to hit us either. They've proven themselves capable of missing targets with only ~1km/s of transversal (edit: hell, they've missed ships doing 200m/s); imagine their accuracy on an interceptor doing 5km/s at 90 degrees, range 5 million kilometres. They'll need to slow down to shoot (and also because combat strategy in Star Trek seems to consist of sitting still and shooting really slowly), and that's when we get them.

Also, if we know which direction they're coming from, we can make a wall of missiles across that vector and kinetic-impact them to death.

ST weapon ranges are in the thousands of kilometers: http://st-v-sw.net/STSW-WeaponRange-Trek.html

ST sensor ranges are in parsecs: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Long_range_sensor_scan

Bubbles only work in Eve because Eve ships tend to travel in predictable paths due to jumpgate chokepoints and the clumsiness of creating off-angle bookmarks. ST ships can FTL in any direction.

In other words, ST ships would
* see the bubbles before running into them,
* see Eve ships before Eve could see the ST ships
* could destroy the Eve ships from thousands of kilometers away,

Also, walls in space? Don't go there. (That one episode of STNG non-withstanding.)

Pretty sure you're not reading whats already been posted, but your wrong on like all of these points. They only engage at long range, close ranges cause damage to themselves due to the insane power of their torpedos. They can warp where-ever they like! They outmaneuver anything that EvE has, as even their sublight speeds are thousands of times faster. Not sure what makes you think natural phenomena would effect them, their sensor technology is far more advanced, their effective grid-size is on the order of parsecs. No idea about the effectiveness of EWAR, but a falcon wouldn't even be on grid with a star trek ship before being blasted at super-long range. Bait ships wouldn't work for the same reason, they wouldn't even know or see the target that exploded them.

A battle between EvE ships and ST would amount to the EvE ships being destroyed long before they even saw them. It would be like an army of men with slingshots going up against a load of men with long-range snipers hidden on a hilltop a few miles away. Assuming they did somehow manage to get within the range of their terrible guns, it would take the ST ships like a second to move out of range again. Bubbles wouldn't work for that reason. I'm not even convinced that EvE weaponry would be effective against a single ST ship just sitting there stationary just taking damage.

The battle might be more balanced if the tech level was more equal, but Star Trek is just too far advanced. People would be waking up in the clones going..... "wtf just happened???"

@Lysanne
-as it was stated before, the pure range of ST sensors would be able to detect ships from several LY. Not to mention that St ships are perfectly capable of detecting cloaked ships and drop their cloak with modulated deflector beams
-you should watch some episodes more closely, those are just just a few examples:
- "The Changeling"[TOS2] (late 2260's); Observed Effective Range: ~90,000km (photon torpedo against tiny object)
- "Journey to Babel"[TOS2] (late 2260's); Observed Effective Range: ~75,000km (phasers)
- "Return to Grace"[DSN4] (2372); Observed Effective Range: 100,000km (Cardassian weaponry)
-extreme range "Basics, Pt. I"[VOY2] (2372); Observed Maximum Range: 4,500,000km (Kazon-Nistrim torpedoes)
as for tracking:"Non Sequitur"[VOY2] (2372); Observed Effective Range: 5,000km (phasers against a small ship)
not to mention that not ALL ST warships (Enterpraise being basically multipurpose heavy cruiser so im refferind to things like Defiant or Sabre) use simple phaser banks, that may have tracking issues with cepts, actuall escort-cruisers like types mentioned, use cannons for destructive power and fully automated turrets that are capable of track and destroy something as fast as photon torpedo
-cannons can sustain extremely long volleys, beams when focused in single shot, can be shoted as long warp core is capable of giving energy to it (i can link examples if u wish)
-couple of volleys of phasers/disruptors that we dont have, kinetic weapons arent really dangerous to St ships when they are prepared to take a shot, not to mention that combat ST ships can focus shielding in f.e. aft part of of ship and wouldnt even feel any shots...or just move out of range in the matter of miliseconds ;)
-as for agility...sure, when you are reffering to ships class like f.e. constitution, yeah, agility isnt great...but escort ships like defiant, sabres or gryphons can easily outmaneuver anything larger then destroyer, and federation runabouts or Caytan fighters are more agile than our cepts. Not to mention superior agility of Klingon warbirds ;)
-as for armors-as long as ST wouldnt have ablative armor which we couldnt penetrate with really primitive weapons we have in eve

-this tactic would work once. As ive mentioned, ST ships are capable of doing deflector sweeps form thousands of km's and just switch off our cloaks, then just obliterate our ships from let's say 50,000 km and we couldn't do anything about it ;)
edit:as for speed of ST ships... f.e. warp 9.975 can take you to the distance of 132 LY in less than a month...and the biggest advantage of ST ships: transwarp drive...they could land at say, dodixe, destroy navy assembly plant then they would be at jita 4-4 in matter of seconds, basically destroying our economy...at least they would kill our scammers too :P

Here's a video.
In this video:
Ships first engage at ranges close enough for near collision.
A ship nearly collides with a Borg cube because they were running on visual only thanks to a dust cloud (EVE ships never run on visual only unless the pilot specifically turns the HUD off).
Ships are annihilated by the first shots.
A ship fails to hit a ship it is following at ~100m range, with 0 transversal.
Ships suffer severe internal damage and compromised systems from hits to the shields.
Ships rely on main batteries of limited firing angle (observe the Defiant being forced to aim the entire ship) and frequently miss with same at close range.

In other scenes, ships are immobilized by glancing hits, suffer severe shield damage from bumping into rocks, and having tiny holes punched in the hull. EVE ships are significantly more resilient - our shields can survive antimatter detonations with ease, while the flagship of the Federation fleet has to back off to avoid them. We could destroy the Enterprise by literally throwing Ibises at it.

I'm also curious as to how you've come to the conclusion that a pulse laser capable of blowing through Amarr armour (and Amarr armour, you may recall, is hella thick) is primitive. Oh, and EVE ships can recover from same impact in seconds. A Star Trek ship would have maintenance teams working on a comparable hit for hours.

Taking the shields down, an objective I maintain can be achieved by flying a ship into them, allows access to the obviously vulnerable hull. This hull is undeniably weakly armoured, and a large railgun shot with Tungsten ammo (let alone something horrendously destructive like Antimatter) could easily disable the ship if correctly targeted - remembering the tendency for Star Trek ships to have the command centres in hilariously vulnerable places.

More on maneuverability:
EVE ships can perform hairpin turns with no loss of functionality thanks to capsule tech and the simple measure of strapping in.
Star Trek ships are unable to turn in such a manner because the crew is scattered throughout open areas, standing up and walking around. Inertial dampeners are finicky and can be disabled by hits to the shield; with them gone, a ship cannot perform extreme velocity or directional changes for fear of plastering the crew all over the bulkheads. This limits their ability to escape, and in the case of ships with fixed batteries (mentioned above) their ability to hit.

More on logistics:
Star Trek ships rely on manual repairs performed by individual crew members for the slightest damage. These repairs take time, and vital systems may be compromised while they are carried out.
EVE ships can be nigh-instantly repaired both locally and remotely at no personnel cost, and systems are not compromised by damage.

More on tracking & piloting:
Star Trek ships rely on human-calculated firing solutions and courses - un-augmented human-calculated - and response times are limited both by human reactions and the time taken for the captain to say "course 35881.4581 mark".
EVE ships have reduced reaction time by comparison, targeting and course changes are calculated much faster, and orders are carried out instantly - with a single click, as it were.

More on sensors & EWAR:
Star Trek sensors have been repeatedly demonstrated to be unreliable and finicky. Objects have been missed at extremely close range, and for half the civilizations in existence, cloaking is a mysterious and new technology. Sensors are often fooled by pieces of space debris, and target acquisition time is awful compared to an interceptor.
Electronic warfare beyond cloaking is nonexistant in Star Trek; it stands to reason that the ships are woefully unequipped to deal with it. If a ship is ambushed by means of hiding behind a stellar phenomenon (done in Star Trek) it is likely that an EWAR ship is capable of crippling it before the aggressor can be fired upon. I will repeat, engines have been disabled by naturally occurring radiation and emissions.

Well we know a nuke in a vacuum wont cause much explosive damage due to no shockwaves but we could give everyone inside two heads

Nukes in space "suck": http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/spacegunconvent.php#id--Nukes_In_Space
"The fireball and blast wave is why nuclear warheads detonating in the atmosphere will flatten buildings for tens of kilometers, but detonations in space have a damage range under one kilometer."

Also, same page -> Boom Table. A photon torpedo releases 64.3 Mt of energy. "Star Trek photon torpedo = 1.5 kg antimatter + 1.5 kg matter"

However, this source, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons_in_Star_Trek#Photon_torpedoes, puts the yield in "isotons."

Anyhoo, the sites I've liked in my past few posts culled their weapon ranges and sensor ranges stats from the TV shows, so they're "true" ... err... "authentic" ...err... "authoritative"?

Same for the mad speeds and weapon ranges in ST given week after week the open up at a few hundred metres and fly about as fast as a Lancaster bomber.

Well, I dunno... the first Death Star was destroyed in the first movie, and the 2nd one was like 75% done by the middle of the second movie...

lol.

But seriously. Star Wars.

The Super Star Destroyer Executor, Darth Vader's flagship in The Empire Strikes Back
First appearance The Empire Strikes Back
Affiliation Galactic Empire
New Republic
Launched 1 ABY
Decommissioned Active
General characteristics
Class Executor
Fighters 144
Armaments Turbolasers
Ion Cannons
Tractor Beam Projectors
Defenses Shield Generators
Propulsion Solar Ionization Reactor
Length 19 km (62,336.0 ft)

144 fighters on one ship that's bigger than a titan.

And it has lasers.

Neither Star Trek or Star Wars have the Swarm.