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Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#61 - 2013-07-11 15:52:19 UTC
Any publicity is good publicity.

never heard that before? Not that I'm not shocked.

Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#62 - 2013-07-11 15:53:58 UTC
Gnaw LF wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:


That a player was dumb enough to fly a very rare ship during a war dec



And here is the reason we probably need to educate some of our own player base before we try to bring in new blood. What war dec? How is that even relevant?



"There's too many self-Indulgent wieners in this city with too much bloody money!" - Randall 'Memphis' Raines

The guy flew it, because he had isk pouring from every oriface and that he could.

It was destroyed, because VoC and bro's could.

Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeext?

Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2013-07-11 15:55:06 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
Any publicity is good publicity.

never heard that before? Not that I'm not shocked.


"The customer is always right:" Just because its a famous saying does not mean its not a load of horse feces, just ask a certain former cigar wielding President of the States.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2013-07-11 15:55:49 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
You don't need to shove anything anywhere, as it won't even fill the empty space between the ears. Even "Hello, Kitty" is smarter. Roll


You are getting worse and worse with each post at both comparisons, analogies and postings.

Just ******* stop.


U mad, bro?

Even a WoW player understands not to move a shiny that big in a war......

A whole new meaning of capital fail.

Lol

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#65 - 2013-07-11 15:57:04 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:



It was destroyed, because VoC and bro's could.

Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeext?



Go on, tell me more about this VoC thing.
Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2013-07-11 15:57:25 UTC
Gnaw LF wrote:

Of course it has "Real Life" value, or lets call it cash value as that is what you use to buy it.


The moment that the PLEX enters the game it has exactly 0 "cash value" - you can't get any amount of RL cash for it.

You have to realize what you buy with your cash: You don't buy items - you save yourself grinding time. If you have a 100M/hour activity in eve, you saved 5 hours of grinding time when you sell a PLEX bought for RL cash. But you can't reverse the transaction - grinding 5 hours will only get you the PLEX, not the RL cash.
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2013-07-11 15:57:59 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Xolve wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
You don't need to shove anything anywhere, as it won't even fill the empty space between the ears. Even "Hello, Kitty" is smarter. Roll


You are getting worse and worse with each post at both comparisons, analogies and postings.

Just ******* stop.


U mad, bro?

Even a WoW player understands not to move a shiny that big in a war......

A whole new meaning of capital fail.

Lol



There.Is.No.War...Idiot.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2013-07-11 15:58:45 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
Any publicity is good publicity.

never heard that before? Not that I'm not shocked.


Or in panic mode because of the public shaming.

Guess I'll have to make another Yahoo account and start repairing the damage mouth breathers have done. Roll

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2013-07-11 15:58:58 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:

U mad, bro?

Even a WoW player understands not to move a shiny that big in a war......

A whole new meaning of capital fail.

Lol


Wait, what? You really think this Revenant was lost in a wardec? Are you... are you serious?
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#70 - 2013-07-11 16:00:29 UTC
Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:
Gnaw LF wrote:

Of course it has "Real Life" value, or lets call it cash value as that is what you use to buy it.


The moment that the PLEX enters the game it has exactly 0 "cash value" - you can't get any amount of RL cash for it.

You have to realize what you buy with your cash: You don't buy items - you save yourself grinding time. If you have a 100M/hour activity in eve, you saved 5 hours of grinding time when you sell a PLEX bought for RL cash. But you can't reverse the transaction - grinding 5 hours will only get you the PLEX, not the RL cash.



Just because you can't reverse a transaction does not mean that the item has no value. If you spent 5 PLEX, each of it worth 15$ on an item, then guess what the value of the item is 75$. That is literally the definition of the word value, a monetary worth of something.
Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#71 - 2013-07-11 16:00:37 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:

U mad, bro?

Even a WoW player understands not to move a shiny that big in a war......

A whole new meaning of capital fail.

Lol


Not at all, but there wasn't a 'big war', there is no 'war dec' and this particular ship (a faction super carrier) cannot even fly in highsec (or move, because- no cynos in empire). He flew it because he could, because it was supposed to be a gank; and had VoC not laid a rather impressive and cunning trap- it would still be alive.

What is the point of paying all that ISK for a ship, if you don't plan on ever using it? It's not like you could dock it in a station and just spin the thing when you feel like stroking yourself. Your 'Even a WoW player' crap can stop- because that game is literally full of instant-gratification seeking risk-averse pubbies, and if they were literally anything else, they would play something different.

Before you reply to this thread, I urge you to actually look into what your aimlessly and ignorantly speaking about before making yourself somehow appear to be more mentally deficient.
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#72 - 2013-07-11 16:02:26 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Muad 'dib wrote:
Any publicity is good publicity.

never heard that before? Not that I'm not shocked.


Or in panic mode because of the public shaming.

Guess I'll have to make another Yahoo account and start repairing the damage mouth breathers have done. Roll



While you are at it, mind pulling all those embarrassing pictures of Beyonce from the internet?
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#73 - 2013-07-11 16:04:40 UTC
Gnaw LF wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
TharOkha wrote:

Some readers just cant distinguish "wort of 9k" between "paid 9k for it"




That's because people try to compare in-game items with real currency, when in fact in-game items have no real currency value.



Wrong.

The one time I bought a PLEX to sell for ISK it was paid for with RL cash. PLEX is an ingame item. Do not tell me otherwise.




Actually you're wrong in part.

You paid RL cash for the PLEX - correct

But as soon as you redeemed it in-game that PLEX became an in-game item (object) that has no RL cash value.

No items (objects) in-game have a RL cash value which is why CCP own everything in-game.



Edit:
But of course that doesn't stop people comparing in-game items to RL cash values, people just like to do that sort of thing. But the real value is nothing as there is no RL cash value on in-game items.



Of course it has "Real Life" value, or lets call it cash value as that is what you use to buy it. Since you can buy PLEX then exchange it for ISK and then exchange it for goods, every item in the game has a cash value because it can be purchased using cash instead of in game currency. That is why people will always keep on comparing it, not because they automatically assume that the item or ship has been bought with cash but because this game allows you to apply a cash equivalent to the value of any item.



Every item in-game has an in-game value but not a real currency value. I'm aware of the process in purchasing PLEX from CCP, done it a few times myself in the past.

PLEX does give you a reference to be able to make a comparision (or at least an estimate as the isk price varies) but that doesn't change the fact that the in-game items have no real currency value only an in-game currency value and isk doesn't have a real currency value either.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#74 - 2013-07-11 16:04:52 UTC
Gnaw LF wrote:

There.Is.No.War...Idiot.


Want a hankie?

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2013-07-11 16:07:11 UTC
Gnaw LF wrote:
While you are at it, mind pulling all those embarrassing pictures of Beyonce from the internet?


Mitt tells you what to do, I don't follow your orders.

Oh, the beauty of a sandbox game, huh?

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2013-07-11 16:12:26 UTC
Gnaw LF wrote:

Just because you can't reverse a transaction does not mean that the item has no value. If you spent 5 PLEX, each of it worth 15$ on an item, then guess what the value of the item is 75$. That is literally the definition of the word value, a monetary worth of something.


That assumes that the ONLY way to get the item would be via PLEX - which is false for almost all items within eve. As I said before, the PLEX replaces grinding time. Your item "worth" 5 PLEX is 25 hours of time for a 100M/hour player and you can't assign RL worth to time spent playing as everybody values this time differently.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#77 - 2013-07-11 16:35:39 UTC
Still haven't been able to find the BBC article... Link, anyone?
Verunae Caseti
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#78 - 2013-07-11 16:53:24 UTC
Six Six Six wrote:

Every item in-game has an in-game value but not a real currency value. I'm aware of the process in purchasing PLEX from CCP, done it a few times myself in the past.

PLEX does give you a reference to be able to make a comparision (or at least an estimate as the isk price varies) but that doesn't change the fact that the in-game items have no real currency value only an in-game currency value and isk doesn't have a real currency value either.


You don't seem to fully understand what the word "value" means in this context. You don't actually have to be able to GET a certain amount of money for something in order for it to have a certain value.

Time, for instance, has a value. I can't sell you an hour for $28, but to me that's what an hour is worth.

Something can have worth, even if no avenue exists to actually generate wealth.

Of course, all of this is ignoring the simple and obvious fact that you CAN generate wealth from these items. Just because it's against the rules of the game doesn't mean it's not possible. It is, in fact, quite simple. So the argument is further moot - these items have both worth and the ability to generate actual money. So even if you weren't wrong, you would still be wrong.

Neat.
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#79 - 2013-07-11 17:58:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Six Six Six
Verunae Caseti wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:

Every item in-game has an in-game value but not a real currency value. I'm aware of the process in purchasing PLEX from CCP, done it a few times myself in the past.

PLEX does give you a reference to be able to make a comparision (or at least an estimate as the isk price varies) but that doesn't change the fact that the in-game items have no real currency value only an in-game currency value and isk doesn't have a real currency value either.


You don't seem to fully understand what the word "value" means in this context. You don't actually have to be able to GET a certain amount of money for something in order for it to have a certain value.

Time, for instance, has a value. I can't sell you an hour for $28, but to me that's what an hour is worth.

Something can have worth, even if no avenue exists to actually generate wealth.

Of course, all of this is ignoring the simple and obvious fact that you CAN generate wealth from these items. Just because it's against the rules of the game doesn't mean it's not possible. It is, in fact, quite simple. So the argument is further moot - these items have both worth and the ability to generate actual money. So even if you weren't wrong, you would still be wrong.

Neat.



So what you're saying it's worth what someone is willing to pay for it, in the case of say an RMTer which is kind of what you're referring to at least in part.

Someone buys a piece of coal for $50 that does not mean that piece of coal is worth $50.

I myself have knowingly purchased goods in excess of what their market value was in some cases 6 or 7 times more. Which had nothing to do with games btw.

You're not allowed to sell items from within the game for real money. Someone paying real money for something in-game gets an in-game item that is worthless, more worthless than a piece of coal. Plus they have the added benefit of being banned.
Spurty
#80 - 2013-07-11 18:12:43 UTC
You should read the drivel type comments about some random ass music I put on a video clip.

I pray this tune makes it to number one on every radio station these people listen to :/)

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