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Lucretia DeWinter
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2013-07-11 12:37:11 UTC
Inokuma Yawara wrote:
What's next? A POS that looks like a vagina?


That's the Veteran Station announced at Fanfest for 10 year continuous subscribers. Its a recognition that it's the only time they'll enter one...


(I'm just bitter I didn't start playing EVE earlier...)
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#42 - 2013-07-11 12:50:32 UTC
Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

The one time I bought a PLEX to sell for ISK it was paid for with RL cash. PLEX is an ingame item. Do not tell me otherwise.


A ingame PLEX has a monetary value of 0$. Just like the Revenant. It is really really stupid to say "Oh, he lost 8000 Dollar" because there is no thing in eve that has a dollar value of more than 0. What was lost was the time spent acquiring the ISK, but I'm not in the know how much ISK/hour the Revenant's pilot makes.



Do not even think that pilot had that much ingame money himself.

That Revenant was outfitted with RL cash used to buy PLEX for Market based ISK.

Also, since ISK cannot be (legally) back converted into cash, the conversion mechanic at least allows the assignation of a form of scale to gains and losses in the game.

You want to claim that the pilot suffered no losses at all ??? Sounds like it.

You also seem to be bitter about it all. U MAD ?

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-07-11 13:08:26 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

Do not even think that pilot had that much ingame money himself.

That Revenant was outfitted with RL cash used to buy PLEX for Market based ISK.

Also, since ISK cannot be (legally) back converted into cash, the conversion mechanic at least allows the assignation of a form of scale to gains and losses in the game.

You want to claim that the pilot suffered no losses at all ??? Sounds like it.

You also seem to be bitter about it all. U MAD ?


I, too, don't think he had this much in-game money by himself. I'm pretty sure his friends in- and outside PL helped him out with some spare ISK, minerals and the CSAA to build this ship. Do you have any evidence that the ISK was gotten by selling PLEX/GTCs?

We already have a scale for gains and losses. If I lose a 40M Cruiser and you lose a 10M Frigate, I lost 4 times as much as you. There is no need to convert this to a different scale.

Of course, the pilot suffered a loss. After all, he lost a 300B Revenant. But (since in-game items can't be sold for real money) the monetary loss is exactly 0 dollar.

Why would I be mad or bitter about this?
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2013-07-11 13:10:31 UTC
Sol Kal'orr wrote:
I just copy-pasted "He paid no RL money for that ship. I know it is a bad article but come on, read between the lines." four times in a minute, why am I doing this.


EvE's reputation proceeded it.

This is a problem if gamers live in a oyster and don't bother to see EvE (and all games like it) as it's seen outside the game, that puts a RL money value to items.

Can spam until there's no tomorrow, it won't change the public perception that it's weird and basement boy fodder.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2013-07-11 13:17:51 UTC
Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:
We already have a scale for gains and losses. If I lose a 40M Cruiser and you lose a 10M Frigate, I lost 4 times as much as you. There is no need to convert this to a different scale.


It has been compared for many years in any game that allows a player to buy ingame items with RL money, be it directly or via some other mechanic (ingame gold coins or PLEX).

Anytime a big ship or fleet or Alliance is robbed, the news reflects the RL money lost (just look at all of the EvE news from the players itself).

Gamers outside the trappings of buying items with RL money, will see these things as wrong and stupid...and they're the majority.

The PR of MMOs is the face of F2P games. Unregulated gambling does that.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Athena Maldoran
Doomheim
#46 - 2013-07-11 13:19:19 UTC
What, Yahoo still exists??
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#47 - 2013-07-11 13:19:40 UTC
There should be some sort of reward for making the general news on major sites!

Maybe something for the loser as well as the winner :P

Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2013-07-11 13:24:17 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
There should be some sort of reward for making the general news on major sites!

Maybe something for the loser as well as the winner :P


EvE's a harsh game, remember? Not "Hello, Kitty"? Those are the breaks.

I wonder if the owner is going to biomass his toon over this, since this isn't something a guy wants to be known for (especially worldwide), even ingame (that killmail will last forever in images too). Oops

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#49 - 2013-07-11 13:24:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Xolve
Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:
I, too, don't think he had this much in-game money by himself. I'm pretty sure his friends in- and outside PL helped him out with some spare ISK, minerals and the CSAA to build this ship. Do you have any evidence that the ISK was gotten by selling PLEX/GTCs?


Strange and Wild things happen when Money Moons are privately held by individuals and not alliances.

Ace Uoweme wrote:
I wonder if the owner is going to biomass his toon over this, since this isn't something a guy wants to be known for (especially worldwide), even ingame (that killmail will last forever in images too). Oops


Probably not, since the individual didn't seem very upset about the matter at all; the man who also purchased the Revenant was found on Mumble, Laughing.

No point in having nice toys if you are afraid to play with them.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2013-07-11 13:35:15 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Probably not, since the individual didn't seem very upset about the matter at all; the man who also purchased the Revenant was found on Mumble, Laughing.

No point in having nice toys if you are afraid to play with them.


Well, that just shows the risks vs rewards aren't high enough......

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#51 - 2013-07-11 13:41:16 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
[Well, that just shows the risks vs rewards aren't high enough......


For 1/15th the cost he could have had a viable supercarrier, but fashion is ignorant of price.
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#52 - 2013-07-11 14:05:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Six Six Six
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
TharOkha wrote:

Some readers just cant distinguish "wort of 9k" between "paid 9k for it"




That's because people try to compare in-game items with real currency, when in fact in-game items have no real currency value.



Wrong.

The one time I bought a PLEX to sell for ISK it was paid for with RL cash. PLEX is an ingame item. Do not tell me otherwise.




Actually you're wrong in part.

You paid RL cash for the PLEX - correct

But as soon as you redeemed it in-game that PLEX became an in-game item (object) that has no RL cash value.

No items (objects) in-game have a RL cash value which is why CCP own everything in-game.



Edit:
But of course that doesn't stop people comparing in-game items to RL cash values, people just like to do that sort of thing. But the real value is nothing as there is no RL cash value on in-game items.
Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#53 - 2013-07-11 14:19:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Deacon Abox
Transmaritanus wrote:
Yahoo news is usually the most slanted liberal drivel ever, interspersed with human interest stories. Fortunately, Eve was one of those so yay!


Lugia3 wrote:
Ahh, yahoo news comments. It's where the liberal neckbeards come out of their caves and spew insults at everything.


Then you two should just go petition FAUX news to satisfy whatever it is you need and find satisfying.Roll

The OP is about eve being in the news. It's not about your alleged political leanings of the site, or about whether you are happy with how you perceive those leanings. I'm sure all the news feeds they have from Reuters and the AP are liberal propaganda. Better to stick to real news like Drudge, Faux etc.Ugh

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#54 - 2013-07-11 14:40:17 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Muad 'dib wrote:
There should be some sort of reward for making the general news on major sites!

Maybe something for the loser as well as the winner :P


EvE's a harsh game, remember? Not "Hello, Kitty"? Those are the breaks.

I wonder if the owner is going to biomass his toon over this, since this isn't something a guy wants to be known for (especially worldwide), even ingame (that killmail will last forever in images too). Oops


the point is to get the eve name out there, so more people subscribe SO WE CAN KILL THEM ALL.

take your hello kitty comment and shove it up your space arse (in game ofc)

Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2013-07-11 15:42:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Gnaw LF
Muad 'dib wrote:
There should be some sort of reward for making the general news on major sites!

Maybe something for the loser as well as the winner :P



No, this is a terrible idea as any sort of reward like this will be ill defined and arbitrary, will only lead to more drama. See the Flag debacle for more info. Lets just leave it as is, winners walked away with some nice loot which went to the people who setup the operation (to reimburse them for bait carriers, risk to their own supers). The real prize was the soundcloud recording with the ton and ton of jokes / comics (Elo's last dinner is my favorite) that followed. I believe that all the winners of the outcome are quite satisfied with it.
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#56 - 2013-07-11 15:43:58 UTC
Transmaritanus wrote:
Yahoo news is usually the most slanted liberal drivel ever, interspersed with human interest stories. Fortunately, Eve was one of those so yay!


Tell us more about your view-points, Mexican-American, Marine Corps Lieutenant, Republican.

We all really, really care about what you think and have to say.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2013-07-11 15:46:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Uoweme
Muad 'dib wrote:
the point is to get the eve name out there, so more people subscribe SO WE CAN KILL THEM ALL.

take your hello kitty comment and shove it up your space arse (in game ofc)


Get the EvE message out?

That a player was dumb enough to fly a very rare ship during a war dec, and then gets publicly mocked by the very people who'd never play EvE in the first place?

You don't need to shove anything anywhere, as it won't even fill the empty space between your ears. Even "Hello, Kitty" is smarter. Roll

If this is the PR department for EvE, it's no wonder why only 500k players play it.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#58 - 2013-07-11 15:49:56 UTC
Six Six Six wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
TharOkha wrote:

Some readers just cant distinguish "wort of 9k" between "paid 9k for it"




That's because people try to compare in-game items with real currency, when in fact in-game items have no real currency value.



Wrong.

The one time I bought a PLEX to sell for ISK it was paid for with RL cash. PLEX is an ingame item. Do not tell me otherwise.




Actually you're wrong in part.

You paid RL cash for the PLEX - correct

But as soon as you redeemed it in-game that PLEX became an in-game item (object) that has no RL cash value.

No items (objects) in-game have a RL cash value which is why CCP own everything in-game.



Edit:
But of course that doesn't stop people comparing in-game items to RL cash values, people just like to do that sort of thing. But the real value is nothing as there is no RL cash value on in-game items.



Of course it has "Real Life" value, or lets call it cash value as that is what you use to buy it. Since you can buy PLEX then exchange it for ISK and then exchange it for goods, every item in the game has a cash value because it can be purchased using cash instead of in game currency. That is why people will always keep on comparing it, not because they automatically assume that the item or ship has been bought with cash but because this game allows you to apply a cash equivalent to the value of any item.
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#59 - 2013-07-11 15:49:57 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
You don't need to shove anything anywhere, as it won't even fill the empty space between the ears. Even "Hello, Kitty" is smarter. Roll


You are getting worse and worse with each post at both comparisons, analogies and postings.

Just ******* stop.
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2013-07-11 15:51:56 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:


That a player was dumb enough to fly a very rare ship during a war dec



And here is the reason we probably need to educate some of our own player base before we try to bring in new blood. What war dec? How is that even relevant?