Market Discussions

Closest things to stocks in eve is ... let me see..

Shares?

Maybe not a majority, but there are some.

Its one of those catch 22 things..

I wont invest cause no one is selling

I wont sell cause no one is investing..


A long standing problem in MD also not helped by the trust issues ofc.

Problem is all the prior attempts to launch ended up one man shows, and that is hard to foster trust on. We need a broad and more public owned and operated stock exchange to really kickstart a shares market.

The only alternative is to hope CCP will finally get around and make it an ingame feature. CREST however could be a solution..

There are as mentioned already a nice number of public traded products shares and bonds..

BMBE and SIRIUS are still active and paying interest.

http://www.bsacse.amxg4.com/home/index.php

The biggest problem with CCP realizing this is they can't see past pew-pew...

Sure they know industry and economic is vital for EVE's survival, but years of empty promises for that "Awesome Industry Expansion/Revisiting" came in the form of PI, adding to an already complex system, with little to zero fixes in every other areas of industry.

It would seem CCP is just a little reluctance for change. Which may be the reason why there has been no change. For 10 years now, the industry has been enough to hold carebears and power industry types interest in the game. Meta-Game Finance has never changed and is fully developed by the player, something we did, and not CCP... So a threat to change it would certainly cause HUGE waves of tears and "Adapt or Die" posts.

I've seen countless good ideas, and came up with a few concepts myself which would all make Industry and finance easier, yet all the ideas did nothing for pew-pew so they are and never will be - priority.

That is a certainty

I guess we can't expect a "trading expandion". But we can get some new/changes done little by little.
Even some small UI changes, or some new contracts could mean a LOT at this point of stagnation.

On the other end, even some unrelated changes generate "content" to us, usually.

@Hexxx - I still have all those Visio flows I created because one day someone will want them.. Just have to find them

@Arabella Blood - I've been in plenty of games which have a full player produced item from mined/farmed materials even a global exchange that is rather simple compared to EVE's "Travel to item to pickup"..

EVE's Trading system is still always a benchmark other games attempt to live up to, at least for me. The only real things CCP could do for trading expansions are, trivial. Things like - Auto generate courier contract on purchase, or auto-renewing buy/sell orders. Cross Regional market trading (but I think that would break a little of the market dynamics).

EVE's Trading is pretty generic but I think that is what make it so solid, apart from a few things most of it is unmatched compared to other games.

Well the "Good" is that its core was pretty solid in its philosophy. It basically created an exchange based economy with its market, no binding mechanics BS and ofc the very deep player created goods and a semi well balanced ecology of raw materials.

What EVE needs to grow up is a better functionality and seperation between exchange market and retail market.
This is where something like customizing ships and gear would be highly useful.

The easy way to achieve this would be to add more time sinks along the productionline, and make insurance better balanced and add a player created version of this. That would mean that standing and player "history" features would need some minor tweaks, to make it possible to do the number crunching for a proper insurance / reimbursement scheme.

Fact is that we kinda have these things, with alliance and corp reimbursements and similar activity, but its not been integrated or allowed a proper evolution. This basically goes back to how groups gain assets in EVE there is to much faux control based afk income for groups and little bottom up economy. The taxation and fees system seem to have been left as a vestigal thought, and is mainly used in EVE as an npc money sink.

EVE needs more player to player controlled economy and the ability to compete with all the npc based services.

Also dropping the LP (Character bound crap) and changing it to something like a faction based currency, that players can trade on open markets. Then moving all npc seeded items into the faction stores and let players become the natural middlemen in these transactions. Even improving the demands for the faction store goods to be linked into some upgrade to the PVE experience would help a LOT.

As Hexxx mentioned a core feature needed to make something like shares an actual reality in EVE would be control with ownership and the ability to actually develop brands, and services. This also ties back to the retail, the insurance and the bottom up taxation economy. With such things and better tools to share information in the form of financial reports and business and political goals, would make a real shares market a natural developing thing.

I guess that ties back to some of the mentioned fundamentals that would need to change.

That was why I mentioned the customizing and retailing. Also actuarial aspects in eneral would need some better warranting.

If your relationship with an insurance business could develop and had reasons adn motivations to do so it would become a natural part of the game.

The current insurance mechanics is merely a slight economic damage reduction, not a significant one, and thus not a viable functionality.