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Incursion Tears Start here

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Blizzaro
Throw More Dots
Hard Knocks Citizens
#61 - 2013-07-14 12:59:57 UTC
They will bend the knee or I will destroy them.
The cold winds are rising.
Lancastor Dex
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2013-07-15 11:10:11 UTC
Wow, so much manure in 1 thread.

Anyway lets see what we can salvage here.

TVP - incursion community for "newbies". Great establishment with 23/7 fleets. Never flown with u guys, but you have my great respect for service u are providing.

Warp to me - new kid on the block - u guys keep doing what u are doing & gl

DIN - Very decent fleets, decent players, ******** leadership who prefer ISK and drama to their members.

TDF - pissing against the wind rly... Still KUDOZ for trying.

EVE Uni - do moar fleetz guys! bring newbies into incursions!

ISN - home


I've been with ISN for some time and TBH i can't imagine being in any other community. Fleets are efficient and fun to fly with.
Rule no. 1 for ISN is ISK efficiency. (Fallout from this rule can be seen all over the forums :) ). OFC contesting other fleets and winning those contests help to improve ISK/h by huge margin. Thats the reason why we proactively seek contests. Someone may call this griefing or bullying and from perspective of smaller or less efficient community it may seem that way. TBH contesting TVP or Warp to me doesn't give me any pleasure and we are often avoiding it if we can. If we do, well, sorry but it's nothing personal.
Thing is we do not follow any specific community around to harras them. (unless they give us serius reason) which brings me to DIN. Our fauvorite PMS crazed drama queens of incursions. DIN is probably only community which can actualy compete with ISN while having equal numbers. Despite this they use only 2 tactics:

1. BLOBBING - prime example - yesterday's DINs ilustrious victory against us fielding 46 ships against our 40. GF there!

2. MOM ragekilling - when 1st tactic fails, DIN gives us an ultimatum - contest us again and we kill mom. Seriously grow some wedding vegetables.

PS: by "DIN" i mean ONLY the leadership and few Charadrasses cheerleaders. I still believe that rest of DIN's community are actual grown-ups and regular EVE lemmings :)

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#63 - 2013-07-15 17:39:40 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Lancastor Dex wrote:

TDF - pissing against the wind rly... Still KUDOZ for trying.



Yep, CCP really arse ****** Armour with the Escalation NERF... now we can barely compete in a single site: the NCO's ( and for the most part only if we have a MWD fit fleet ):
The Mothership site should add more beefier NPC frigate spawns ( Niarjas & tamas )that boost the competitiveness of Armour fleets whose only advantage is the T3's due to BS PvE being totally out of wack tankwise.

HQ sites need to be revamped but unlike the Escalation Vanguard nerf in a way that doesn't scream surprise buttsex to non shield tanked fleet ( especially feel sorry for NULL & Hull fleets :)
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Charadrass
Angry Germans
#64 - 2013-07-15 18:58:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Charadrass
can't... resist... damn!


ok here we go:

din don't mind about a fair contest when both fleets hit the gate at the same time, but isn happens to "accidently" contest us only after we just lost a few pilots and invite new players who aren't on grid yet. true story.
isn don't mind jumping on an outnumbered fleet that is in a site for about 2 minutes just to **** people off. it' not about contesting, it's about isk. in that, my friend, i agree with you.
and isn followed those fleets around 'till they disband. don't tell everybody you try to avoid contests with weaker fleets. that is just a lie.

with these kind of fleets disbanding din increased numbers in the past and started blobbing isn. denying isn isk for over 2 hours their only reaction was written into one sentence by kodavor: no isk for isn, no isk for everyone... and then they killed the last highsec incursion.

reactions on beeing contested over and over again are pretty much the same. the difference is, that isn don't wanna see that killing the mom is part of the game as well as is contesting.

fact summary:

- if din is getting followed by any fleet to deny our payouts in hq-systems, din kills the actual incursion.
- if both fleets warp into the same site at the same time. din enjoys a good contest and let the mommy alive. (following us from gate to gate to force a contest would also lead into killing the incursion.)
- if anyone is killing any din-chosen focus prematurely, din will wipe out every existing highsec incursion plus one or two spawns. depends on the actuall situation. a din-chosen focus is normally a new spawned incursion where din is heading to avoid drama with isn.

this is just our way to play incursions. do whatever you wanna do with this information.

ps: by isn i mean only the leadership and a few of noble ranger's cheerleaders. i still believe that the rest of isn's community are actual grown-ups and regular eve lemmings :)

pps: latest rumors tell that tvp and tdf gonna bring up the same facts against isn. din don't have 100% reliable intel on that, but we welcome the possibility, that other communities might join the fair-carebaring-in-highsec-train.
Tasha Saisima
Doomheim
#65 - 2013-07-15 19:52:38 UTC
There is no din chosen focus so not sure what you mean by that
Jebsar
Shiva
Northern Coalition.
#66 - 2013-07-15 21:39:22 UTC
Charadrass wrote:
din don't mind about a fair contest when both fleets hit the gate at the same time, but isn happens to "accidently" contest us only after we just lost a few pilots and invite new players who aren't on grid yet. true story.


It's utter bullsh*t like this that makes me wonder how even pilots from your own kool-aid ridden little community could ever believe a word you say
Charadrass
Angry Germans
#67 - 2013-07-15 22:09:57 UTC
Tasha Saisima wrote:
There is no din chosen focus so not sure what you mean by that

There is! It's usually a new focus while leaving the old one behind to avoid drama and crowded systems.
We fly in this focus with a few communities. This focus is mostly not beein run by tvp and/or isn.
If someone kills this incursion, din will close the next two incursion spawns asap.
Kaphrah
Thats my BOI
#68 - 2013-07-15 22:25:31 UTC
So we try to AVOID ISN, they could move to the already blue incursion, even contest there, and what did they do?

WHAT DID THEY DO?

Wait for DIN/WTM and the VG communities like U.O.R to grind the bar down and come over here and close it.

Do you know how people call this behavior? I think you do.

I have one serious question to everybody. WHO DO YOU THINK IS THE PROBLEM HERE?

I don't think DIN is.
Relic Amatin
Starlight Consortium
#69 - 2013-07-15 22:35:28 UTC
HODOR
Sits in stuff
Run the tool
Brothers of Tangra
#70 - 2013-07-15 22:35:58 UTC
Kaphrah wrote:
So we try to AVOID ISN, they could move to the already blue incursion, even contest there, and what did they do?

WHAT DID THEY DO?

Wait for DIN/WTM and the VG communities like U.O.R to grind the bar down and come over here and close it.

Do you know how people call this behavior? I think you do.

I have one serious question to everybody. WHO DO YOU THINK IS THE PROBLEM HERE?

I don't think DIN is.


Can someone please contract this man a nomad set, he seems to be in dire need of one
Che Shifu
Duty.
#71 - 2013-07-15 22:43:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Che Shifu
sigh... i have tried twice to post something....**** it
Cracka Jax
Z O M B I E
#72 - 2013-07-15 22:45:00 UTC
DIN - please fill out this form:
http://dontclickthis.whatingods.name/butthurt-report-form.jpg

Then reply honestly in these forums about your actions closing all HiSec Incursions ruining Isk earnings for all communities.
Dont come here crying your tears and spilling your propaganda...

No one Likes ISBOXER users.

Have a nice day,
XoXooBig smile
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#73 - 2013-07-15 23:57:28 UTC
Chadarass, In your the last ten forum posts you have called for 'More Tears' so many times I am under the impression you might have a learning disability.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3104902#post3104902
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3106770#post3106770
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3110212#post3110212
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3330984#post3330984
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3340093#post3340093
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3108345#post3108345

For someone that is a victim in all this you call out to harvest the tears of your actions more than the average megalomaniac.

But we all get it.
DIN is a victim.
Your just trying to make some ISK.
And the big bad meanie touched you where?

You need to decide if your going to play victim or tear harvester this bipolar crap is really not working for you.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.

Kaphrah
Thats my BOI
#74 - 2013-07-16 00:00:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaphrah
Cracka Jax wrote:
DIN - please fill out this form:
http://dontclickthis.whatingods.name/butthurt-report-form.jpg

Then reply honestly in these forums about your actions closing all HiSec Incursions ruining Isk earnings for all communities.
Dont come here crying your tears and spilling your propaganda...

No one Likes ISBOXER users.

Have a nice day,
XoXooBig smile



Spill Propaganda... ruin everybodys Income... does that sound familiar? ISN closing the **** ruining our income while EVERYBODY except the mentioned superbrains was ok with closing it, that is ruining income.

I don't use ISBoxer, but I don't wanna be liked by you. should probably get it

Goldiiee wrote:
Chadarass, In your the last ten forum posts you have called for 'More Tears' so many times I am under the impression you might have a learning disability.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3104902#post3104902
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3106770#post3106770
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3110212#post3110212
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3330984#post3330984
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3340093#post3340093
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3108345#post3108345

For someone that is a victim in all this you call out to harvest the tears of your actions more than the average megalomaniac.

But we all get it.
DIN is a victim.
Your just trying to make some ISK.
And the big bad meanie touched you where?

You need to decide if your going to play victim or tear harvester this bipolar crap is really not working for you.



DIN is a victim? DIN made YOU the victim.

now cry for me baby like the hard nerds do, where are the ISN guys on the last incursion mail? Or on the one you killed? Nowhere. You don't deserve to play this game with me.
Please don't post your tears in the next 20 minutes as I am eating atm
Guttri
Mari-Huana
#75 - 2013-07-16 00:05:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Guttri
Kaphrah wrote:

DIN is a victim? DIN made YOU the victim.


Wait... I thought we we're the bad guys but now we're the victims? So that means you're the bad guys? You're confusing me.
Kaphrah
Thats my BOI
#76 - 2013-07-16 00:06:57 UTC
Guttri wrote:
Kaphrah wrote:

DIN is a victim? DIN made YOU the victim.


Wait... I thought we we're the bad guys but now we're the victims? So that means you're the bad guys? You're confusing me.



I am Batman
The Djego
Hellequin Inc.
Mean Coalition
#77 - 2013-07-16 01:09:24 UTC
Kaphrah wrote:


I am Batman


So you carry things on your belt?

While I might be no expert on the hole Incursion thing, wouldn't it help to have more Incursions up to have more HQ systems and less contests instead of closing one after one and increasing the competition? Last time I checked moving 30 minutes and running smooth for 6-12h in a row is a lot better in the way of ISK\h instead of fighting it out and losing a lot of time with waiting for spawn and bouncing.

On a more personal note, you guys drive our FC crazy(or at least considerable more crazy than in his usual state) since when he gets cheated out of his daily 12h+ FCing routine, with zero breaks in it, he actually gets sleep dysfunction and feels non productive at all. Yeah he might have a workaholic problem, but nobody is perfect and if it only takes 12h per day to keep him sane, we consider it as the least we can do for him. Think about our FC!

Improve discharge rigging: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=246166&find=unread

Kaphrah
Thats my BOI
#78 - 2013-07-16 01:28:55 UTC
We moved to avoid ISN.

They came after us before their fleet disbanded and after our fleet disbanded and closed the mom.
TVP closed their Incursion then, in case ISN would just kill one more mom or whatever why
Epic Rupture
Riot Industries
#79 - 2013-07-16 03:01:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Epic Rupture
Kaphrah wrote:
We moved to avoid ISN.

They came after us before their fleet disbanded and after our fleet disbanded and closed the mom.
TVP closed their Incursion then, in case ISN would just kill one more mom or whatever why




Remind us all when ISN closed the last High Sec Incursion? TVP, DIN, and Armor (TDF) can close all the MOMs they want apparently, but the minute ISN does one, everyone freaks out.

BTW the DIN tears in this thread are really starting to come through, I had almost given up. GG (in my best Sleepy impression)
Kaphrah
Thats my BOI
#80 - 2013-07-16 03:23:04 UTC
Epic Rupture wrote:
Kaphrah wrote:
We moved to avoid ISN.

They came after us before their fleet disbanded and after our fleet disbanded and closed the mom.
TVP closed their Incursion then, in case ISN would just kill one more mom or whatever why




Remind us all when ISN closed the last High Sec Incursion? TVP, DIN, and Armor (TDF) can close all the MOMs they want apparently, but the minute ISN does one, everyone freaks out.

BTW the DIN tears in this thread are really starting to come through, I had almost given up. GG (in my best Sleepy impression)



Statement =/= tears, but looks like I am fighting in a lost game explaining that. I could also talk with the tree outside, it would probably understand more.