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Any person doing this in the middle of caldari space during peak hours is a knob obviously but that does not render the method invalid. Some people are so risk averse they would never give up using anchored containers despite their drawbacks, others are merrily mining away in hulks in hostile space. If you can think of a way to quantify risk preferences please share.

But consider this: Reducing your mining time to 30 minutes cuts your risk in half and results in a 3178 m3/min yield. This is a minor difference compared to the 1 hour scenario and still beats the orca setup by a mile.

I have successfully mined billions of ISK worth of ore this way and lost no more than 10 million to can flipping. Even in the unlikely event a pirate finds me at the worst moment possible, I have safety measures in place to make sure the most he can take is what he can haul in one go, and I have yet to meet a can flipper followed around by an orca or multiple haulers.

But even if we assume a miner loses 10% of his yield to can flippers each month - which is ludicrous -, that still leaves him with a yield of 2909 m3/min compared to 2645 m3/min for the orca.

If there is one thing I'm certain of regarding this subject, it's that people lose the most money not to can flippers but to being afraid.

I am convinced. Interesting turn of events.

Thank you all for the thoughts and information, I will probably look into getting another toon trained up to hulk to improve the efficiency. I have a 3rd toon that i can use as a hauler but it is also my combat pilot so he is usually occupied somewhere else. Well thanks again for the info.

I started mining ore with one account in Hulk and one hauling for convenience in a Bestower (largest low skill Industrial), and later in an Orca. Ore mining just produces too much volume too fast to manage without a hauler.

I used 2 accounts in Mackinaws when mining ice, as the cycle times were so long (20 minutes) compared to the time to drop-off ice and return (2 minutes = 10% ice lost < 100% more ice).



Just because I think math should be somewhat simple...

Theroetical only, assuming you have someone else to haul so you don't have to stop mining.

Where number of people in fleet > 1 for max skill Mining Foreman bonus (no mindlink):
Yield = Number of Hulks * (1 + 10% Mining Foreman bonus)

Yield(1) = 1.10
Yield(2) = 2.20
Yield(3) = 3.30
Yield(4) = 4.40
Yield(5) = 5.50

Throw a max skill Orca into the mix with a 2% cycle reduction link (no mindlink):
Yield = Number of Hulks * (1 + 10% Mining Foreman bonus) / (1-0.02*5*1.5*1.15)

Yield(1) = 1.32
Yield(2) = 2.65
Yield(3) = 3.98
Yield(4) = 5.31
Yield(5) = 6.64


Where number of people in fleet > 1 for mindlink bonus:
Yield = Number of Hulks * (1 + 15% mindlink implant bonus)

Yield(1) = 1.15
Yield(2) = 2.30
Yield(3) = 3.45
Yield(4) = 4.60
Yield(5) = 5.75

Throw a mindlinked max skill Orca into the mix with a 2% cycle reduction link:
Yield = Number of Hulks * (1 + 15% mindlink implant bonus) / (1-0.02*5*1.5*1.5*1.15)

Yield(1) = 1.55
Yield(2) = 3.10
Yield(3) = 4.65
Yield(4) = 6.20
Yield(5) = 7.75

T2 links would of course be better.