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Valleria Darkmoon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#121 - 2013-07-15 11:13:10 UTC
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
Donovan Draknevov wrote:
*rings the dinner bell* Tears on, everyone!


its not tears its a problem with the mechs in the game and it needs to be corrected simple as that.


Just throwing this out there but if you leave high sec the mechanics you tried to use against your ninja salvager would have been much more effective.

Reality has an almost infinite capacity to resist oversimplification.
Valleria Darkmoon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#122 - 2013-07-15 11:14:13 UTC
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
Scarlett LaBlanc wrote:
Miners have same thoughts about the whole "can flipping" thing.

It's a basic game mechanic. It's not a bug and there is no way CCP will change it. EVE is designed to allow people to ruin your day if you let them.

You let them and they ruined your day. Now that you understand the mechanic you can adjust your play style.


Well than we should be allowed to take cans without getting introuble right ?


Feel free to lock onto one and tractor it 20000km away, I fully support and endorse this course of action.

Reality has an almost infinite capacity to resist oversimplification.
Valleria Darkmoon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#123 - 2013-07-15 11:40:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Valleria Darkmoon
Last thing, when I did still mission in high sec back in the day, I would abandon all wrecks anytime someone warped into my mission meaning they could even take my loot and I couldn't shoot them.

You know what?

Most of the time they see the wrecks turn yellow to blue and they won't even take your stuff, they just leave as you have just demonstrated that you are not going to allow them to suck you in and their tear bucket is going to stay dry as the Sahara. (One mission's loot is never going to be worth losing your mission ship for anyway).

Show them you don't care about the loot or the salvage and they will just leave and go find someone they can provoke. They're not really doing this to profit by salvaging. They are doing it to make you mad so you do something dumb and allow them to loot your bling fit NApoc, that's where the money is. The second you tell them to go ahead and loot/salvage whatever they like they know the only way to kill you is by suicide. Often they will simply give up and move on as they won't be able to undock in highsec in anything with a cargo hold while they are global criminal, making the entire endeavor to kill and loot your ship much more complicated and risky. Much easier to just warp out and go find some other rube who will donate his tears and faction/deadspace fit.

Reality has an almost infinite capacity to resist oversimplification.
Callathar Tivianne
LoneStar Ltd.
#124 - 2013-07-15 13:04:47 UTC
hey, give a little one a break...he'll learn...








nah, he wont Twisted
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#125 - 2013-07-15 13:25:22 UTC
They took my savage once.


I miss him.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
#126 - 2013-07-15 14:09:19 UTC
I'll make it simple.
Blow up a ship, go to the wreck, open it's inventory....

Can you see the salvage?

no?

Then it's not loot.

Salvaging requires that you actually do something, target the wreck, activate a module and wait for the salvager to do it's job.
It is a task, that has a reward. ergo a proffession.
If salvage was simply another item that appearred in the wreck, it would be classed as loot, and stealing it would be a flag-able offence, as it would be 'free isk' .

Everything that makes isk takes either time, or risk.
usually both.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Daisai
Daisai Investments.
#127 - 2013-07-15 15:05:29 UTC
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
So....

Has anyone done a mission and have that person come along and start taking your savage? yea that happened to me and i shot the person because it IS THE SAME AS TAKING LOOT FROM THE CONTAINERS and theres no way to say its not because they are marked when the persons name when they are destroyed, this rule needs to be updated to the same as the Looting rule you take it you get the right to shot them without concord or someone getting killrights period.... When we are doing missions and fighting and playing YOUR! game we should be able to defend what we work for not be punished for doing so.

Most might think im just pissed Attention over nothing but its just how it needs to be, if any Dev wants to try and tell me otherwise please explain in detail now the wrecks can't be considered a looted item, The target the wreck and hit it with their savager and loot the contents into there cargo, its the same as someone coming along and looting a container... they target the container, they goto it and move the items out of the container and into their cargo hold. See my point ?

Because of this rule the person had a killright against me and opened it to everyone and caused me to lose a Navy Apoc and fits which was about 850million and i know most of you out there buy plex and whatever but some ppl actually enjoy the game and work for there ingame credits like missions... mining whatever right?

I think this is a bug and needs to be addressed and anyone being killed from the punishments from it should regain what they losted if they was in the right.

Who else agrees they should change this to the same as if someone looted your cantainer ?



Going by your post i see that eve might not be a game for you.
I suggest you try a other space game, something like the x3 series or wait for the SC game, there isnt really that much of a choice.
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#128 - 2013-07-15 15:12:54 UTC
Tinker Vuld wrote:
I, for one, would like to commend the OP for sharing this tale of woe. He has inspired me to go out and give this salvaging profession a try.

So reading between the lines the best place to salvage tears is in someone else's mission is that correct?

yup, and if you get lucky, the missionner will open fire on you, and you could have a chance of a shiny killmail before concord appears, then get is (potentially pimped) loot + all the salvage.

and if you are in this, steal something, let him shoot, and come back to kill his sorry ass (and sometimes die in terrible fire from people doing mission in pvp fit on purpose for ppl like you )


eve is harsh, i love it Twisted
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#129 - 2013-07-15 15:20:20 UTC
seth Hendar wrote:
Tinker Vuld wrote:
I, for one, would like to commend the OP for sharing this tale of woe. He has inspired me to go out and give this salvaging profession a try.

So reading between the lines the best place to salvage tears is in someone else's mission is that correct?

yup, and if you get lucky, the missionner will open fire on you, and you could have a chance of a shiny killmail before concord appears, then get is (potentially pimped) loot + all the salvage.

and if you are in this, steal something, let him shoot, and come back to kill his sorry ass (and sometimes die in terrible fire from people doing mission in pvp fit on purpose for ppl like you )


eve is harsh, i love it Twisted

I really must give this a try. Twisted
Popping miners is all fine and well, but most miners - even the foolish ones - seem to have gotten to the point where they don't have a lot of tears to spare me.
Varesk
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#130 - 2013-07-15 15:24:28 UTC
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
Eram Fidard wrote:
Sorry to hear CONCORD savaged your ship. On the up-side, the nasty pirate probably got to salvage your wreck, so not all is lost.



i didnt say concord savaged my wreck, i said someone else was and i attacked them just the same as if you looted a container... im sorry i havent played this game for more than 3 months so lol its like saying Piracy is a profession than so i can go around and steal loot outta cans right ?



Piracy is a profession in Eve.
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#131 - 2013-07-15 15:36:30 UTC
Plastic Psycho wrote:
seth Hendar wrote:
Tinker Vuld wrote:
I, for one, would like to commend the OP for sharing this tale of woe. He has inspired me to go out and give this salvaging profession a try.

So reading between the lines the best place to salvage tears is in someone else's mission is that correct?

yup, and if you get lucky, the missionner will open fire on you, and you could have a chance of a shiny killmail before concord appears, then get is (potentially pimped) loot + all the salvage.

and if you are in this, steal something, let him shoot, and come back to kill his sorry ass (and sometimes die in terrible fire from people doing mission in pvp fit on purpose for ppl like you )


eve is harsh, i love it Twisted

I really must give this a try. Twisted
Popping miners is all fine and well, but most miners - even the foolish ones - seem to have gotten to the point where they don't have a lot of tears to spare me.

try harder, the resource is scarce, but worth it
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#132 - 2013-07-15 15:47:00 UTC
seth Hendar wrote:
Plastic Psycho wrote:
seth Hendar wrote:
Tinker Vuld wrote:
I, for one, would like to commend the OP for sharing this tale of woe. He has inspired me to go out and give this salvaging profession a try.

So reading between the lines the best place to salvage tears is in someone else's mission is that correct?

yup, and if you get lucky, the missionner will open fire on you, and you could have a chance of a shiny killmail before concord appears, then get is (potentially pimped) loot + all the salvage.

and if you are in this, steal something, let him shoot, and come back to kill his sorry ass (and sometimes die in terrible fire from people doing mission in pvp fit on purpose for ppl like you )


eve is harsh, i love it Twisted

I really must give this a try. Twisted
Popping miners is all fine and well, but most miners - even the foolish ones - seem to have gotten to the point where they don't have a lot of tears to spare me.

try harder, the resource is scarce, but worth it

Squeeze until they scream, eh?
Can do. Pirate
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#133 - 2013-07-15 16:03:25 UTC
In honor of the OP I will name my next alt Death Beaver.

I too feel that allowing the bears to shoot at ninja salvagers in their own mission would be a good thing, so long as the salvager doesn't get suspect flagged in the process.

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Phaade
LowKey Ops
Shadow Cartel
#134 - 2013-07-15 21:20:17 UTC
That's completely ******* ******** and makes literally no sense.....

but there ya go OP, you've got your answer.

Really simple solution: you have 1 hour to salvage wrecks before they become public. Otherwise, face the wrath of the mission runner.
Tara Read
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#135 - 2013-07-16 11:31:36 UTC
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
So....

Has anyone done a mission and have that person come along and start taking your savage?


YES! I TOTALLY CAN RELATE!!!! I HATE IT WENZ PEEPUULL TAAKE MEEH SAVAGE!!! Shocked
Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#136 - 2013-07-16 15:45:23 UTC
Tara Read wrote:
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
So....

Has anyone done a mission and have that person come along and start taking your savage?


YES! I TOTALLY CAN RELATE!!!! I HATE IT WENZ PEEPUULL TAAKE MEEH SAVAGE!!! Shocked


Tara, your medication..... you seem to have forgot to take it again.,
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#137 - 2013-07-16 18:51:37 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Hadewijch wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:

I believe he also lost the Machariel (or whatever) that he shot the innocent salvager with.


Not a Machariel. After raging in local for half an hour, using words that a lady as me is ashamed to even think of, he opened fire with T1 fit Coercer. He got me to 98% shields before brave Concord arrived to my rescue. That's where the kill right came from.

He had two corpmates with him. They decided to yellow-box me to death while their boss was melting away.



The dreaded yellow box of doom.



Carebear stare!

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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#138 - 2013-07-16 21:37:00 UTC
http://zkillboard.com/corporation/98181647/

I wonder how pissed he is now?

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Relego
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#139 - 2013-07-16 21:45:14 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
http://zkillboard.com/corporation/98181647/

I wonder how pissed he is now?


Uhm, am I reading that right, and every major corp that frequents these boards decided to wardec him for tear extraction?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os5TXyJlEMc
Karloth Valois
1st. Pariah Malefactor corp.
The New Eden Yacht Club.
#140 - 2013-07-16 22:11:11 UTC
Some buildings in missions cause damage to those around them when they blow up. Tractor all wrecks near that and shoot it until its in low structure.

When a salvager comes in and thinks its his lucky day because all the wrecks are close by shoot the structure. Explosion kills him without you ever having to aggress him.

You still lose all your loot and salvage as that blows up but it will amuse you for about 5 mins.

CCP wont change something they said is fine 100s of times just because yet another person moans on the forums, but you can be smart about it and find a way around it.

It's not been nice, but thanks for using lube