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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#41 - 2013-07-10 01:30:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
all im saying is we should have the right to open fire on the person thats it without problems, by all means loot/savage the wrecks but atless give the fighting option i mean if they wanna steal than let them fight for it right lol

Do you really want to know what would happen if what you suggest was put into place?, You'd die, a lot, because a PvE fit ship is no match for a PvP fit ship.

As I said earlier, if you want to dispute what you have been told, and consider that salvage being classed as junk is a bullshit mechanic then petition it at the following link, don't be surprised when you get told exactly what you've been told here.

http://community.eveonline.com/support/support-tickets/

At the end of the day CCPs word is law when it comes to ingame mechanics, their game, their rules.

If you can't accept the rules then I suggest you try SWO, Freelancer, Homeworld, the X series or the Kerbal Space Program for your spaceships fix, there's also Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen when they're released.

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Phoenix Einherjar
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2013-07-10 01:34:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Phoenix Einherjar
Donovan Draknevov wrote:
The only similar thing I can think of to this would be World of Warcraft's skinning.


Excellent analogy and one this tard will probably understand. It's EXACTLY like someone stealing your skinnable corpse if they were on the same faction/on a PVE server. The loot is yours, the skins (salvage) is not, until it's in your inventory. It's been that way SINCE IMPLEMENTATION IN BOTH GAMES.

And here's the bit OP can't seem to understand:
In WoW, if someone steals your skin, YOU HAVE NO RECOURSE AGAINST THEM

In EVE, there are NPC police to enforce this fact.

You disengaged your safeties and tried to act against the ninja. It's exactly like being able to voluntarily turn off starting area protection in WoW and 1-shotting lvl 1 newbies - you'd get a ban in WoW, you get shot by the police in EVE.

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Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-07-10 01:39:29 UTC
Shoot your wrecks. Problem solved.

EvE is supposed to suck.  Wait . . . what was the question?
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2013-07-10 01:41:18 UTC
I have this thing now were I try to look at the avatar and the player's name and reconcile the carebear tears they are crying in the forums. Take a look at:

"xxdeathxx thebeaver"

avatar and then his corp name:

It Burrns When I PvP

and see if you see "carebear" in it. Dude, be the guy you created in the avatar. He looks like a bad-ass. Be him. Don't whine on the forums. Hunt that guy down and kill him, like you did, then learn how to live with a killright for a month.

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Relego
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#45 - 2013-07-10 01:44:02 UTC
Seems to me the simple, yet elegant, solution is for the OP to move to low.

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xxdeathxx thebeaver
Tyrant's
#46 - 2013-07-10 01:44:28 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
I have this thing now were I try to look at the avatar and the player's name and reconcile the carebear tears they are crying in the forums. Take a look at:

"xxdeathxx thebeaver"

avatar and then his corp name:

It Burrns When I PvP

and see if you see "carebear" in it. Dude, be the guy you created in the avatar. He looks like a bad-ass. Be him. Don't whine on the forums. Hunt that guy down and kill him, like you did, then learn how to live with a killright for a month.



it just made me bitter about the mech is all im over it but still grinds my gears yea know ?
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-07-10 01:47:16 UTC
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
all im saying is we should have the right to open fire on the person thats it without problems, by all means loot/savage the wrecks but atless give the fighting option i mean if they wanna steal than let them fight for it right lol


Wait.. wait.. I see the problem. You want a change to the game rules, but clearly CCP isn't going to do that, at least not before you unsubscribe because of the myriad of other things that are going to **** you off. So let me at least help you out a bit. Run your missions in lowsec or NPC nullsec. There the rules allow you to shoot whoever comes into your mission space without any police interference at all. Those are just the rules you want, so problem solved yes?

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#48 - 2013-07-10 01:48:54 UTC
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
Elizabeth Aideron wrote:
why did you have your safety off while mission running anyway?


my safety was on until i seen the person looting and as far as i knew you had to change it to attack anywhere so i did and of course the person had help from the police before yea i was in the wrong because i spend a few hours on this one long mission and sure enough here's someone savaging wrecks so like any other game why shouldn't i be able to fire on them? So i shot them and concord saves the day! but im in the wrong i forgot... its a profession but its the same thing as looting someones can but w/e


You have a... breathtaking... understanding of the safety mechanics. Simply breathtaking.


xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
all im saying is we should have the right to open fire on the person thats it without problems, by all means loot/savage the wrecks but atless give the fighting option i mean if they wanna steal than let them fight for it right lol


You own the contents of a wreck that you've legally killed. Nobody owns the wreck.

You can fire on people who steal things you own (the contents, for example). You cannot fire on people who do not steal things you own (since you don't own the salvage, nobody's stolen anything from you).

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#49 - 2013-07-10 01:53:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Oh god I just noticed that he's actually the CEO of his corp, if he's anything to go by then that corp and its 28 members are destined to disappear in short order, especially after this thread.

*Calls the smiter of shitposters on the Somali Coastguard Hotline*

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Tinker Vuld
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2013-07-10 02:03:07 UTC
I, for one, would like to commend the OP for sharing this tale of woe. He has inspired me to go out and give this salvaging profession a try.

So reading between the lines the best place to salvage tears is in someone else's mission is that correct?

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#51 - 2013-07-10 02:18:10 UTC
Tinker Vuld wrote:
I, for one, would like to commend the OP for sharing this tale of woe. He has inspired me to go out and give this salvaging profession a try.

So reading between the lines the best place to salvage tears is in someone else's mission is that correct?

Pretty much.

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Hadewijch
Red Herring Industries
#52 - 2013-07-10 02:23:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Hadewijch
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:


Because of this rule the person had a killright against me and opened it to everyone and caused me to lose a Navy Apoc and fits which was about 850million and i know most of you out there buy plex and whatever but some ppl actually enjoy the game and work for there ingame credits like missions... mining whatever right?


Hullo there!

I actually did warn you that you are going to get pwned at Amarr undock, but you would not listen. What were you thinking, going to Amarr in your nice shiny navy Apocalypse with a kill right on your head?

I am glad you learnt something new about EVE mechanics today.

Yours,
H.
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#53 - 2013-07-10 02:42:49 UTC
MTFU or GTFO.
I'm lazy this night.

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#54 - 2013-07-10 03:22:45 UTC
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
Scarlett LaBlanc wrote:
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
Scarlett LaBlanc wrote:
Miners have same thoughts about the whole "can flipping" thing.

It's a basic game mechanic. It's not a bug and there is no way CCP will change it. EVE is designed to allow people to ruin your day if you let them.

You let them and they ruined your day. Now that you understand the mechanic you can adjust your play style.


Well than we should be allowed to take cans without getting introuble right ?



You CAN flip cans without getting "in trouble". CONCORD will not care. It does give the person who owns the can the ability to fire on you (not that it does a miner any good).

The difference is that you OWN the can, NOT the wreck


well same thing we should have the ability to fire on the person savaging our wrecks right ?



You littered space with no concern and complain when a lovely person comes along and cleans up YOUR MESS.

Litterbugs like you deserve to be Concorded.

Can you imagine how badly an asteroid could be damaged if one of those wrecks floated off and hit one?


Next time clean up your own mess so the other good folk in Eve do not have to do it for you.

I bet after you lost your Navy Apoc you even left that junk sitting in space.
When will some people learn. Cool

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Nixss
Vampire Kittens
#55 - 2013-07-10 03:33:50 UTC
Phoenix Einherjar wrote:
Donovan Draknevov wrote:
The only similar thing I can think of to this would be World of Warcraft's skinning.


Excellent analogy and one this tard will probably understand. It's EXACTLY like someone stealing your skinnable corpse if they were on the same faction/on a PVE server. The loot is yours, the skins (salvage) is not, until it's in your inventory. It's been that way SINCE IMPLEMENTATION IN BOTH GAMES.

And here's the bit OP can't seem to understand:
In WoW, if someone steals your skin, YOU HAVE NO RECOURSE AGAINST THEM

In EVE, there are NPC police to enforce this fact.

You disengaged your safeties and tried to act against the ninja. It's exactly like being able to voluntarily turn off starting area protection in WoW and 1-shotting lvl 1 newbies - you'd get a ban in WoW, you get shot by the police in EVE.


There is one small difference, in WoW you can not skin a corpse until it has been looted. I used to do that to the ninja skinners, I just wouldn't loot the corpses and they would send me some nice rage tells, asking me to loot so they can skin them.

To the OP you can turn this into something profitable for you. There are lots of fleet battles in low and null. Grab yourself a Manticore fit 4 salvagers a MWD and cloak, as well as a few cap re chargers and boosters, rig it right and salvage their stuff. There are some nice wreaks out there. Its a cheap fit that can make you some ISK.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#56 - 2013-07-10 03:46:25 UTC
This is why ninja salvagers are a valued part of the EVE community.

It's not their role in cleaning up the mess left by capsuleers. It's their incredible capacity to provide entertainment for all of us.

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Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#57 - 2013-07-10 04:02:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalel Nimrott
It just amaze me the attitude "Change the mechanics so I can be s@upid and careless all I want, risk free!" of some "gents".
Try doing sites in nosec space. See how that goes. You should be thankful of not getting your ship blown up by..., oh. Wait..., too soon?

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#58 - 2013-07-10 06:06:55 UTC
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:

... i shot the person because it IS THE SAME AS TAKING LOOT FROM THE CONTAINERS and theres no way to say its not because they are marked when the persons name when they are destroyed, this rule needs to be updated ...

See, what we have here is a failure to communicate.
CCP lays out the rules. But Dead Beaver here wants things otherwise. So he gets Concordokken, because that's the way things work. CCP don't care that the Beaver is Dead. Nor do we. Only the Beaver cares that it is dead. But it is dead, so who cares?
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2013-07-10 06:25:14 UTC
oh hi there future war target.

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Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#60 - 2013-07-10 06:27:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
Is salvage created without someone first expelling the energy and resources completing the mission? No?

We can see the communist philosophy behind the system. One guy does the work and another collects the reward and the system protects the parasite.

Quite a "learned protocol" comrades.