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Scarlett LaBlanc
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-07-10 00:33:54 UTC
Elizabeth Aideron wrote:
why did you have your safety off while mission running anyway?



that is an excellent question.
xxdeathxx thebeaver
Tyrant's
#22 - 2013-07-10 00:36:56 UTC
Elizabeth Aideron wrote:
why did you have your safety off while mission running anyway?


my safety was on until i seen the person looting and as far as i knew you had to change it to attack anywhere so i did and of course the person had help from the police before yea i was in the wrong because i spend a few hours on this one long mission and sure enough here's someone savaging wrecks so like any other game why shouldn't i be able to fire on them? So i shot them and concord saves the day! but im in the wrong i forgot... its a profession but its the same thing as looting someones can but w/e
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#23 - 2013-07-10 00:38:09 UTC
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
its not tears its a problem with the mechs in the game and it needs to be corrected simple as that.


Yes, right now you are crying tears on the forum. Nothing 'needs to be corrected' about salvaging, it works exactly as intended. Kinda like your arrogant entitlement working to make people hate you.


xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
im sorry i havent played this game for more than 3 months so lol its like saying Piracy is a profession than so i can go around and steal loot outta cans right ?


So you're saying you have had one experience to derive an informed opinion from. Yes, Piracy is a profession, and yes, you can steal from loot cans. Do you even know what game you are playing?

xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
this mech as you all call it a Profession needs to
......

Your posting, or as anyone would call it Steaming Shitpile needs to leave.

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#24 - 2013-07-10 00:39:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
Donovan Draknevov wrote:
*rings the dinner bell* Tears on, everyone!


its not tears its a problem with the mechs in the game and it needs to be corrected simple as that.

Nope working as intended, salvaging is a recognised profession and any amount of hurfblurf on your part isn't going to change it.


but its ok for ppl to just walk in and take stuff but if i take some loot out of a can that makes me flagged and thats a fair mech than right ? lol do you even understand what im saying at all

Yes I understand what you're saying, I have no problems with reading comprehension despite the heinous crimes you're committing against the English language with your poor grammar and spelling.

I'll make this simple:
Salvage is not yours until it's in your cargo hold, so anybody can take it without being flagged, for all intents and purpose the game treats salvage as junk. Loot belongs to you, and can't be taken by another without incurring a suspect flag, at which time you can shoot them without Concord interference, at your own risk.

Btw you've probably just painted a massive target on your back for the people that enjoy baiting folks like yourself into shooting at a worthless ship, and then coming back in a PvP ship to forcibly remove yours from existence.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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xxdeathxx thebeaver
Tyrant's
#25 - 2013-07-10 00:41:29 UTC
Eram Fidard wrote:
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
its not tears its a problem with the mechs in the game and it needs to be corrected simple as that.


Yes, right now you are crying tears on the forum. Nothing 'needs to be corrected' about salvaging, it works exactly as intended. Kinda like your arrogant entitlement working to make people hate you.


xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
im sorry i havent played this game for more than 3 months so lol its like saying Piracy is a profession than so i can go around and steal loot outta cans right ?


So you're saying you have had one experience to derive an informed opinion from. Yes, Piracy is a profession, and yes, you can steal from loot cans. Do you even know what game you are playing?

xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
this mech as you all call it a Profession needs to
......

Your posting, or as anyone would call it Steaming Shitpile needs to leave.


well dont you just sound cool... sound more like a complete idiot trying to act all tough with his words lmao
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#26 - 2013-07-10 00:42:36 UTC
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
Eram Fidard wrote:
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
its not tears its a problem with the mechs in the game and it needs to be corrected simple as that.


Yes, right now you are crying tears on the forum. Nothing 'needs to be corrected' about salvaging, it works exactly as intended. Kinda like your arrogant entitlement working to make people hate you.


xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
im sorry i havent played this game for more than 3 months so lol its like saying Piracy is a profession than so i can go around and steal loot outta cans right ?


So you're saying you have had one experience to derive an informed opinion from. Yes, Piracy is a profession, and yes, you can steal from loot cans. Do you even know what game you are playing?

xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
this mech as you all call it a Profession needs to
......

Your posting, or as anyone would call it Steaming Shitpile needs to leave.


well dont you just sound cool... sound more like a complete idiot trying to act all tough with his words lmao


First thing you've said that makes sense so far. I liked the post, welcome to EvE!

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#27 - 2013-07-10 00:43:12 UTC
Whenever someone enters my mission deadspace, I abandon all wrecks and containers.

They obviously need the help.

One young ninja brought tears to my eyes, salvaging without drones, or prop mod, or tractor beam. He was so determined going between distant wrecks. It was heart wrenching to watch. I sent him 50 million ISK.
xxdeathxx thebeaver
Tyrant's
#28 - 2013-07-10 00:44:13 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
Donovan Draknevov wrote:
*rings the dinner bell* Tears on, everyone!


its not tears its a problem with the mechs in the game and it needs to be corrected simple as that.

Nope working as intended, salvaging is a recognised profession and any amount of hurfblurf on your part isn't going to change it.


but its ok for ppl to just walk in and take stuff but if i take some loot out of a can that makes me flagged and thats a fair mech than right ? lol do you even understand what im saying at all

Yes I understand what you're saying, I have no problems with reading comprehension.

I'll make this simple:
Salvage is not yours until it's in your cargo hold so anybody can take it without being flagged, for all intents and purpose the game treats salvage as junk. Loot belongs to you, and can't be taken by another without incurring a suspect flag, at which time you can shoot them, at your own risk.

Btw you've probably just painted a massive target on your back for the people that enjoy baiting folks like yourself into shooting at a worthless ship, and then coming back in a PvP ship to forcibly remove yours from existence.


but when you loot something, lol its the same thing as if you would take the loot from the savaged ship and put it into your cargo... you guys are trying to justify something that you all know is a bullshit mech and no its not tears its me pissed that a mech works for ppl that use the mechs to get easy ingame credits and steal and the other guy gets punished with either losing the loot from the savage or losing a ship from acting upon the person.
Donovan Draknevov
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2013-07-10 00:48:44 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Whenever someone enters my mission deadspace, I abandon all wrecks and containers.

They obviously need the help.

One young ninja brought tears to my eyes, salvaging without drones, or prop mod, or tractor beam. He was so determined going between distant wrecks. It was heart wrenching to watch. I sent him 50 million ISK.


Now that's a kind thing to do. Hats off to you sir.

Trust in the Rust
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-07-10 00:50:08 UTC
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
but when you loot something, lol its the same thing as if you would take the loot from the savaged ship and put it into your cargo... you guys are trying to justify something that you all know is a bullshit mech and no its not tears its me pissed that a mech works for ppl that use the mechs to get easy ingame credits and steal and the other guy gets punished with either losing the loot from the savage or losing a ship from acting upon the person.



You really had me hoping there when you told me off, but now?

*yawn* broken record

HTFU

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#31 - 2013-07-10 00:51:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Salvage is not loot, a wreck with loot in has a different icon from that of a wreck without, you can get salvage from both.

It's not hard to understand, although from looking at your bio you've come here from other MMOs so you may have some difficulty.

I'll give you some free advice, forget everything you've learnt in all the other MMOs, with the possible exception of Ultima Online pre trammel, because Eve is not like all the other MMOs, it doesn't pamper you, it doesn't make things easy, and if you have a cookie it will steal it from you, and then laugh at you for bringing one in the first place.

dammit beaten to the punch on permaband <3 CCP Guard

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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xxdeathxx thebeaver
Tyrant's
#32 - 2013-07-10 01:01:38 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Salvage is not loot, a wreck with loot in has a different icon from that of a wreck without, you can get salvage from both.

It's not hard to understand, although from looking at your bio you've come here from other MMOs so you may have some difficulty.

I'll give you some free advice, forget everything you've learnt in all the other MMOs, with the possible exception of Ultima Online pre trammel, because Eve is not like all the other MMOs, it doesn't pamper you, it doesn't make things easy, and if you have a cookie it will steal it from you, and then laugh at you for bringing one in the first place.

dammit beaten to the punch on permaband <3 CCP Guard



yea ok savage isn't loot but yet, it goes into your cargo just the same as the contents inside a container... im done arguing because facts are facts aside from any bs mech.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#33 - 2013-07-10 01:03:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
It goes into my cargo if I beat you to it, it then becomes mine and not a piece of space junk causing a navigation hazard.

CCP Gamesmasters and Devs categorically state, and have done on numerous occasions, that salvaging another persons wreck is not a flaggable action, now that is a fact which can't be disputed. You're not the first to complain about it, and you won't be the last, and nothing you say or do will change the fact that salvage belongs to the person who gets it into their cargo hold first.

Call it a bullshit mechanic all you like, your opinion on this doesn't matter one iota to CCP, it's their game, their mechanics, their rules.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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xxdeathxx thebeaver
Tyrant's
#34 - 2013-07-10 01:08:43 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
It goes into my cargo if I beat you to it, it then becomes mine and not a piece of space junk causing a navigation hazard.


than i should be able to attack you without any problems simple as that, im not saying you can't but it should ignore all rules that apply such as killrights and concord.
Donovan Draknevov
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2013-07-10 01:11:30 UTC
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Salvage is not loot, a wreck with loot in has a different icon from that of a wreck without, you can get salvage from both.

It's not hard to understand, although from looking at your bio you've come here from other MMOs so you may have some difficulty.

I'll give you some free advice, forget everything you've learnt in all the other MMOs, with the possible exception of Ultima Online pre trammel, because Eve is not like all the other MMOs, it doesn't pamper you, it doesn't make things easy, and if you have a cookie it will steal it from you, and then laugh at you for bringing one in the first place.

dammit beaten to the punch on permaband <3 CCP Guard



yea ok savage isn't loot but yet, it goes into your cargo just the same as the contents inside a container... im done arguing because facts are facts aside from any bs mech.


Like Jonah said, forget any other MMOs' mechanics. The only similar thing I can think of to this would be World of Warcraft's skinning. After you kill something, anyone can skin it. After you kill anything in Eve, anyone can salvage it. The difference is that in Eve you can do something to stop the salvaging by salvaging it faster than the guy trying to ninja your stuff, whereas in WoW you're outta luck.

Like you said. Facts are facts. You need to realize that unlike any other MMO, piracy and things that would be considered illegal are allowed and even promoted. He honestly could have stolen from your cans too. At which point you would have been able to legally fire upon him without consequence. However, unless he's solo-ninja-salvaging, most likely the second you opened fire his buddies would warp in and make you a molten pile of slag in seconds.

Trust in the Rust
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#36 - 2013-07-10 01:12:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
It goes into my cargo if I beat you to it, it then becomes mine and not a piece of space junk causing a navigation hazard.


than i should be able to attack you without any problems simple as that, im not saying you can't but it should ignore all rules that apply such as killrights and concord.


Why?
Salvage is not yours until it's in your possession, it's been like that for at least the last 4 years, don't like it? raise a petition and get the same answer from CCP that you've already been given by us.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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xxdeathxx thebeaver
Tyrant's
#37 - 2013-07-10 01:15:56 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
It goes into my cargo if I beat you to it, it then becomes mine and not a piece of space junk causing a navigation hazard.

CCP Gamesmasters and Devs categorically state, and have done on numerous occasions, that salvaging another persons wreck is not a flaggable action, now that is a fact which can't be disputed. You're not the first to complain about it, and you won't be the last, and nothing you say or do will change the fact that salvage belongs to the person who gets it into their cargo hold first.

Call it a bullshit mechanic all you like, your opinion on this doesn't matter one iota to CCP, it's their game, their mechanics, their rules.



Well it needs to be disputed because its bullshit anyone with a brain can see that, i mean they are the dev to this game they aren't stupid, myself and many others that i spoken to see my point other than a selective few like yourself which most likely... like this rule because it protects your ass from getting killed while you take peoples ****, but whatever you can tell me its right all day but anyone like i said with a brain will see my point and why it should atless have the edits to take out concord/killrights atless
xxdeathxx thebeaver
Tyrant's
#38 - 2013-07-10 01:17:32 UTC
all im saying is we should have the right to open fire on the person thats it without problems, by all means loot/savage the wrecks but atless give the fighting option i mean if they wanna steal than let them fight for it right lol
Donovan Draknevov
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2013-07-10 01:18:52 UTC
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
It goes into my cargo if I beat you to it, it then becomes mine and not a piece of space junk causing a navigation hazard.

CCP Gamesmasters and Devs categorically state, and have done on numerous occasions, that salvaging another persons wreck is not a flaggable action, now that is a fact which can't be disputed. You're not the first to complain about it, and you won't be the last, and nothing you say or do will change the fact that salvage belongs to the person who gets it into their cargo hold first.

Call it a bullshit mechanic all you like, your opinion on this doesn't matter one iota to CCP, it's their game, their mechanics, their rules.



Well it needs to be disputed because its bullshit anyone with a brain can see that, i mean they are the dev to this game they aren't stupid, myself and many others that i spoken to see my point other than a selective few like yourself which most likely... like this rule because it protects your ass from getting killed while you take peoples ****, but whatever you can tell me its right all day but anyone like i said with a brain will see my point and why it should atless have the edits to take out concord/killrights atless


Translation: CCP should pander to me and make this game work for what I want it to do.

You get right on that. *grabs the popcorn*

Trust in the Rust
Phoenix Einherjar
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2013-07-10 01:25:59 UTC
wait, wait, wait, wait, wait..... You lost a 850m NApoc to CONCORD because you got mad at a little frigate stealing <10m worth of SALVAGE!?

...


:D does not even begin to describe how big my incredulous smile is right now. And you say you're 3 months old? At 3 months old you have NO business running Lvl4s in a 850m NApoc. You must have bought it through PLEX or otherwise you were flying something you couldn't afford to lose, hence breaking the NUMBER 1 RULE OF EVE.

You complaining about being mentally deficient and being CONCORDed over salvage is about as dumb as if I were to complaim about losing my 1.2billion NApoc to scramming rats after being a cocky ************ and hitting all the triggers in Attack of the Drones...

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