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Pissed theres no nice way to say it
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xxdeathxx thebeaver
Tyrant's
#1 - 2013-07-10 00:09:57 UTC
So....

Has anyone done a mission and have that person come along and start taking your savage? yea that happened to me and i shot the person because it IS THE SAME AS TAKING LOOT FROM THE CONTAINERS and theres no way to say its not because they are marked when the persons name when they are destroyed, this rule needs to be updated to the same as the Looting rule you take it you get the right to shot them without concord or someone getting killrights period.... When we are doing missions and fighting and playing YOUR! game we should be able to defend what we work for not be punished for doing so.

Most might think im just pissed Attention over nothing but its just how it needs to be, if any Dev wants to try and tell me otherwise please explain in detail now the wrecks can't be considered a looted item, The target the wreck and hit it with their savager and loot the contents into there cargo, its the same as someone coming along and looting a container... they target the container, they goto it and move the items out of the container and into their cargo hold. See my point ?

Because of this rule the person had a killright against me and opened it to everyone and caused me to lose a Navy Apoc and fits which was about 850million and i know most of you out there buy plex and whatever but some ppl actually enjoy the game and work for there ingame credits like missions... mining whatever right?

I think this is a bug and needs to be addressed and anyone being killed from the punishments from it should regain what they losted if they was in the right.

Who else agrees they should change this to the same as if someone looted your cantainer ?
Vanya Virpio
Ubiquitous Hurt
The WeHurt Initiative
#2 - 2013-07-10 00:12:12 UTC
I too enjoy battling the forces of concord.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#3 - 2013-07-10 00:13:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
****Per CCP Mitnal:
CCP Mitnal wrote:
"Our policy on this is extremely clear... Salvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing."

Per GM Faolchu :
GM Faolchu wrote:
Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage.
Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up.

Per Senior GM Ytterbium :
GM Ytterbium wrote:
Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit.

Per CCP Prism X :
CCP Prism X wrote:
Why is stealing salvage OK? It's not. It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing.

****Per CCP Incognito :
CCP Incognito wrote:
Had a chat with some designers this evening.
Ninja salvaging is intended game play. It was always intended that the wrecks are public, the loot is private.
They do not see it as a problem if others salvage your wrecks.

(These quotes are kept handy for your convenience at Ironfleet.com.)

In short, the salvage isn't yours until you actually salvage it. (Some of the GM quote links no longer work, but the quotes are actual GM quotes, I've marked the ones that do work with ****)

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Donovan Draknevov
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-07-10 00:15:28 UTC
*rings the dinner bell* Tears on, everyone!

Trust in the Rust
Scarlett LaBlanc
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-07-10 00:17:32 UTC
Miners have same thoughts about the whole "can flipping" thing.

It's a basic game mechanic. It's not a bug and there is no way CCP will change it. EVE is designed to allow people to ruin your day if you let them.

You let them and they ruined your day. Now that you understand the mechanic you can adjust your play style.
xxdeathxx thebeaver
Tyrant's
#6 - 2013-07-10 00:17:37 UTC
Donovan Draknevov wrote:
*rings the dinner bell* Tears on, everyone!


its not tears its a problem with the mechs in the game and it needs to be corrected simple as that.
xxdeathxx thebeaver
Tyrant's
#7 - 2013-07-10 00:18:11 UTC
Scarlett LaBlanc wrote:
Miners have same thoughts about the whole "can flipping" thing.

It's a basic game mechanic. It's not a bug and there is no way CCP will change it. EVE is designed to allow people to ruin your day if you let them.

You let them and they ruined your day. Now that you understand the mechanic you can adjust your play style.


Well than we should be allowed to take cans without getting introuble right ?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#8 - 2013-07-10 00:19:06 UTC
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
Donovan Draknevov wrote:
*rings the dinner bell* Tears on, everyone!


its not tears its a problem with the mechs in the game and it needs to be corrected simple as that.

Nope working as intended, salvaging is a recognised profession and any amount of hurfblurf on your part isn't going to change it.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Scarlett LaBlanc
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-07-10 00:20:49 UTC
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
Scarlett LaBlanc wrote:
Miners have same thoughts about the whole "can flipping" thing.

It's a basic game mechanic. It's not a bug and there is no way CCP will change it. EVE is designed to allow people to ruin your day if you let them.

You let them and they ruined your day. Now that you understand the mechanic you can adjust your play style.


Well than we should be allowed to take cans without getting introuble right ?



You CAN flip cans without getting "in trouble". CONCORD will not care. It does give the person who owns the can the ability to fire on you (not that it does a miner any good).

The difference is that you OWN the can, NOT the wreck
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-07-10 00:21:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Eram Fidard
Sorry to hear CONCORD savaged your ship. On the up-side, the nasty pirate probably got to salvage your wreck, so not all is lost.

edit: almost forgot!

this.

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xxdeathxx thebeaver
Tyrant's
#11 - 2013-07-10 00:21:43 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
Donovan Draknevov wrote:
*rings the dinner bell* Tears on, everyone!


its not tears its a problem with the mechs in the game and it needs to be corrected simple as that.

Nope working as intended, salvaging is a recognised profession and any amount of hurfblurf on your part isn't going to change it.


but its ok for ppl to just walk in and take stuff but if i take some loot out of a can that makes me flagged and thats a fair mech than right ? lol do you even understand what im saying at all
Donovan Draknevov
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-07-10 00:22:12 UTC
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
Scarlett LaBlanc wrote:
Miners have same thoughts about the whole "can flipping" thing.

It's a basic game mechanic. It's not a bug and there is no way CCP will change it. EVE is designed to allow people to ruin your day if you let them.

You let them and they ruined your day. Now that you understand the mechanic you can adjust your play style.


Well than we should be allowed to take cans without getting introuble right ?


The difference being there is a random chance with salvaging that you will get anything, whereas there is a definite chance of a can having items that are instantly stealable. Next time fly with some salvage drones, and go after whatever he goes after. At full skill, you have 5/1 chances of getting something before he does. Other items can increase that.

Trust in the Rust
xxdeathxx thebeaver
Tyrant's
#13 - 2013-07-10 00:23:33 UTC
Eram Fidard wrote:
Sorry to hear CONCORD savaged your ship. On the up-side, the nasty pirate probably got to salvage your wreck, so not all is lost.



i didnt say concord savaged my wreck, i said someone else was and i attacked them just the same as if you looted a container... im sorry i havent played this game for more than 3 months so lol its like saying Piracy is a profession than so i can go around and steal loot outta cans right ?
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-07-10 00:24:00 UTC
ooh, also this.

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xxdeathxx thebeaver
Tyrant's
#15 - 2013-07-10 00:25:02 UTC
Scarlett LaBlanc wrote:
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
Scarlett LaBlanc wrote:
Miners have same thoughts about the whole "can flipping" thing.

It's a basic game mechanic. It's not a bug and there is no way CCP will change it. EVE is designed to allow people to ruin your day if you let them.

You let them and they ruined your day. Now that you understand the mechanic you can adjust your play style.


Well than we should be allowed to take cans without getting introuble right ?



You CAN flip cans without getting "in trouble". CONCORD will not care. It does give the person who owns the can the ability to fire on you (not that it does a miner any good).

The difference is that you OWN the can, NOT the wreck


well same thing we should have the ability to fire on the person savaging our wrecks right ?
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-07-10 00:25:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Eram Fidard
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
Eram Fidard wrote:
Sorry to hear CONCORD savaged your ship. On the up-side, the nasty pirate probably got to salvage your wreck, so not all is lost.



i didnt say concord savaged my wreck, i said someone else was and i attacked them just the same as if you looted a container... im sorry i havent played this game for more than 3 months so lol its like saying Piracy is a profession than so i can go around and steal loot outta cans right ?


just read the damn flow chart, and notice how I put in bold two completely different words

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xxdeathxx thebeaver
Tyrant's
#17 - 2013-07-10 00:28:52 UTC
Eram Fidard wrote:
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
Eram Fidard wrote:
Sorry to hear CONCORD savaged your ship. On the up-side, the nasty pirate probably got to salvage your wreck, so not all is lost.



i didnt say concord savaged my wreck, i said someone else was and i attacked them just the same as if you looted a container... im sorry i havent played this game for more than 3 months so lol its like saying Piracy is a profession than so i can go around and steal loot outta cans right ?


just read the damn flow chart, and notice how I put in bold two completely different words


i could give a damn about your flowchart dude, this mech as you all call it a Profession needs to either be unable to do so without being fired on or just follow the same rules as a looted container.
Scarlett LaBlanc
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-07-10 00:30:56 UTC
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
Scarlett LaBlanc wrote:
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
Scarlett LaBlanc wrote:
Miners have same thoughts about the whole "can flipping" thing.

It's a basic game mechanic. It's not a bug and there is no way CCP will change it. EVE is designed to allow people to ruin your day if you let them.

You let them and they ruined your day. Now that you understand the mechanic you can adjust your play style.


Well than we should be allowed to take cans without getting introuble right ?



You CAN flip cans without getting "in trouble". CONCORD will not care. It does give the person who owns the can the ability to fire on you (not that it does a miner any good).

The difference is that you OWN the can, NOT the wreck


well same thing we should have the ability to fire on the person savaging our wrecks right ?


It's NOT the same thing. I know you WANT it to be, but it is not. I understand that you want the wreck to belong to you, in the same way that a can does. However, the wreck does NOT belong to you. No matter how much you want it to, that will not change. It is a game mechanic that CCP has publicly supported over and over (see the above quotes).

I understand your pissed. You lost an expensive ship. That loss was rooted in not understanding the mechanic, its a hard way to learn something, but learn you did.
Donovan Draknevov
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-07-10 00:31:05 UTC
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
Eram Fidard wrote:
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
Eram Fidard wrote:
Sorry to hear CONCORD savaged your ship. On the up-side, the nasty pirate probably got to salvage your wreck, so not all is lost.



i didnt say concord savaged my wreck, i said someone else was and i attacked them just the same as if you looted a container... im sorry i havent played this game for more than 3 months so lol its like saying Piracy is a profession than so i can go around and steal loot outta cans right ?


just read the damn flow chart, and notice how I put in bold two completely different words


i could give a damn about your flowchart dude, this mech as you all call it a Profession needs to either be unable to do so without being fired on or just follow the same rules as a looted container.


All that's missing from this post is "If CCP doesn't fix this I'm leaving Eve forevar!!!"

The game has been set up this way. You are not the first person to say this should change. The Devs have stated it will not change because it is a game mechanic and not a bug/glitch/exploit. You have nothing. You lose. Good day sir.

Trust in the Rust
Elizabeth Aideron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-07-10 00:31:47 UTC
why did you have your safety off while mission running anyway?
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