Market Discussions

I'm not a tycoon, extorting people's financial API's in unacceptable for ethical game play. I've been playing for 14 days or whatever, but I just finally ground out my Sprite Darter Hatchling on WoW. It's so pretty and full of colors and makes the most adorable little fluttering noise when it flaps and little purr thing when you click on it. I've still got six months on my WoW subscription and I don't risk players extorting in game money which has a real world translation in that game.

It's one thing to fall prey to "Hey, I'll give you 20% back every month if you had me a million" on local chat, but when the major and mainstream players in the game regularly extort individual players' financial info - especially when financial info is somewhat akin to playing cheap poker - few want to play a game like that.

I'm sorry I didn't somewhat understand the spy dynamics of the game, but I understand why corps want to protect their $8000 ship, just like I want to protect my account worth $20.

I have never heard of this game, and, therefore, I am not familiar with the reputation of the company, and was not aware of that particular incident. If for some reason I gave you the impression of being "not a noob" it's because I'm just a mathy person and pick up technical and mathematical stuff quickly. Which is also how I was able to identify the potential abuse of collecting financial APIs. And it appears there is no way to participate in the game without handing those out.

I don't play poker with people who demand I show them my cards - and you shouldn't either.

Ad hominem arguments about the ethos of the players and the company is inevitable, and not fallacious, in a discussion about whether or not you're defrauding players of their financial info in order to manipulate the market. Aristotle, the same person who initially characterized the fallacies also went far out of his way to explain the importance of "ethos" in political discussions.

I'm a player, I have to make a time and financial commitment to the game, I come in with the idea that I will have a fair opportunity to trade in commodities and otherwise to advance in the game, which, certainly, includes the risk of being ganked in high sec or other such rules. What I don't expect is to have to show anyone my accumulated assets to enjoy the game the way it is meant to be enjoyed, by joining a coalition and risking getting your $70 carrier getting blown up. But I'm not going to take that carrier into zero sec and then put a global announcement as to where I am and that I put nothing on the high points and have no drones in bay. And, even more likely, I'm not even going to be flying that carrier if I have to hand over all financial info to people who can abuse it to make an unfair market.

Since it is, in fact, an unsaid rule to expose all financial assets and market activity in game, that is simply something I was unaware of and represents a terminally separating philosophy between me and what I consider otherwise "fair" play (as much as there can be in a sandbox).

But, seriously, it's really really really cute, and I still have 5 months left on the subscription:

http://www.playthingofthegods.net/SpriteDarterHatchlingGuide/SpriteDarterHatchling.jpg

Enjoy.

Do you really believe, to a corp that is succeeding in EVE, the transactions of 5 or 10 such APIs (more so if they are new to Eve), compared to the mass of people and market and industrial activities that is going on makes any difference?

You.... clearly are unable to see the big picture of things and see only your own and how you would be taken advantage of.

The moment you would join a large industrial corporation
... the moment you would realize they are doing things unrelevant to your activities and such that you might not be able to
... the moment you would realize they are operating on a scale that you could only dream of
... the moment you realize they are handling billions

... that's the moment you might realize, your 1M profit on tritanium is sooo irrelevant for them and that the time required for micromanaging everyone's transactions and trying to fish information would be hundred times more efficient elsewhere.

You know why you won't succeed in Eve? You are thinking small...

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And yet, we openly had someone admit here that they were data mining APIs, though they could be lying. As I already stated, since you clearly seem to be illiterate and ignore what I actually wrote in favor of your mantras about tinfoil hats or otherwise. My particular API is not valuable in and of itself. The API's of 100 to 1000 characters is valuable and is information other people don't have access to.

If the multiple billions the corps trade in is insignificant, they shouldn't mind handing me 500 mil or something when joining to cover my potential asset losses right?

I certainly didn't apply to goons and I've never heard of "test" - I only heard about "goons" because someone told me about freighters getting ganked in Jita and I looked it up on YouTube because I thought that was kind of impressive. I also already stated that I would give my full API to such groups because, as you claim, they legitimately probably aren't interested in cutting in on small time markets in high sec. But that 25% markup on major manufacturing items is enough to want to keep your BPOs secret in case you get dropped from the small time high sec corp you apply to, or at least not to give it to them until a little while after being in their corp.

Corps definitely shouldn't want people who are careless with useful information like financial APIs.

And then there's still the problem of merchants protecting the data of the people who buy from them. If I were running a small corp and were short on manufacturers, I wouldn't want people knowing who I bought retrievers from.... In the real world, I would expect the person I bought them from to protect that information. In Eve, being uncorped means I don't give a crap who is blowing up who... I'm like the CIA, I give guns to both sides and don't tell either side about it...

I have no idea what is "usually the case" - I've been playing for 14 days or whatever, less than three weeks, more than two. If you had asked me a week ago if it were "usually the case" in MMO's to pretty much be forced to give out your wallet and asset information, I would have thought that absurd and certainly not been a fan of any games where that was pretty much an in game feature. In the case of Eve, I find it especially unbalancing for individual players. Granted, the game is already unbalanced for independent players as there is certainly no way my Executioner could have survived the Vagabond that came up on my tail in a .3 system a few days ago if I couldn't go into warp before he's even fully out of warp.

Can the information from the API be copied and pasted? If it can - it can and is being data mined as only a full-blown idiot wouldn't understand it's next to no work compared to the amount of work you put into this game to write a small program that assembles the data in more coherent form. Sure, it's not much to just take mine, even though I am making a profit, which is a profit that could otherwise be given to someone else. But once you get a hundred to a thousand or more together, it becomes significant data.

Free Snowden!

Dear god.

Show me where you are "Pretty much forced to give out your wallet and asset information"
Or that the game is "unbalanced for independent players" because I missed that memo.

That horse, it has gone beyond even the stage of being put in a lasagne.

That's a lovely chart. What's the original source?