EVE General Discussion

Ask them which games that they played before, and ask them what happened to them after they ruined it with very niche ideas?

Rhetoric seen here is seen in EQII and in WoW (especially on the PvP forums) and countless other game forums. Control freaks wanting to control how the game is developed THEIR way. If the game dies, they blame the publishers or some other easy victim -- casuals or PvE players.

Games are a working relationship with devs and players. Devs have their job to do and players offer feedback on their job, as they're paying for a service. When some players want to dictate content, they make the world smaller for everyone, including them. If devs fall for this feedback, they fall victim to the ever constant need for "make my toon better; make me fight harder; make me make gold easier" schemes. Innovation takes a back seat for "mememe" (and you bet the same players tell others they are the "self-entitled").

PvE isn't a problem, it's working as intended. Same as PvP.

The problem is when one group wants to overtake the other group. This was seen in Cata in WoW over raiders vs casuals vs PvPers. 10% of the overall population (even Blizzard came back confirming this) who crowd forums about their only real reason in playing a game, whining about how the game is destroyed because some PvPer got a buff (or vice versa). Meanwhile, casuals are looking for means to play the game without 15hr raid nights 7 days a week. PvPers are groaning because they can't pewpewpew healers (who are designed to heal) and decided to go James mode with Healers Have to Die addons. Then wonder where all the healers went, because being the #1 target isn't fun...and now THEY are dying like flies.

...Yeah, seen this stuff a-l-l before...

bro, the only mechanic that drives players into EVE are those promo vids and photoshopped pics full of bling that CCP keeps spamming online. Sadly for you when people bite the bait and come here to realise how bad the game actually is, you get forum threads like this.

yes yes.. this is what i tried to explain.. but some peoples heads are just too hard to compute this...

"oh no because it's a sandbox! we cannot add content or enhance gameplay without turning the game into WOW!.... oh wait .. yes we can... damn" lol

projecting in other ppls head your idea of content as"WOW" really shows ur imagination sci-fi wise

and leads me to think you're probably the real introverted WOW fan on denial

lol

I never said that new content was bad, stop putting words into my mouth, and as for being a fan of WoW? I played it for a short while, didn't like it and no longer play it. Unlike others I'm honest enough to admit that I actually quit a game because I didn't like it, and didn't hang on by my fingernails trying to change it into something I did like.

SWG certainly did not have a tangible death penalty for a vast majority of its existence.

The same place it has always come from: people who want to build something for themselves rather than be force-fed content. Since “hard games” is a trend in gaming right now, that's a good market right there, and EVE certainly caters to it with its no-guaranteed-success design philosophy.

So why do you keep suggesting that EVE should leave that niche and start catering to a completely different audience that is not guaranteed to come flocking to the game (as opposed to the many niche players it has collected, and continues to collect, over the years)?

Oh, and the only thing an MMO offers that other game mechanics can't (because that's what it is: a game mechanic, not a genre) is the “Massive Multiplayer” part — hell, it's right there in the name. Everything else can be had just fine elsewhere. The problem is that only a handful of MMOs actually deliver on that one defining characteristic.

So in other words, you can't think of anything wrong with what I just said or offer anything to disprove it.

You didn't happen to notice that I answered his question rather than respond to your claim? Hmm? So about that cognitive ability…

Oh, and by the way……if you're going to say things like this, maybe you should check on what I do first?

Probably because you don't write well to be understood?

"Fresh meat" isn't a term normally used to refer to devs. In PvP and FPS games it refers to new players.

You're confusing “understand” with “care”. What you wrote had nothing to do with what I said since I was responding to what Ace wrote (and we both understood what that was). Are you confused by the fact that I didn't cut your part out? Do you suffer from some severe astigmatism that makes you misread which is the inner quote and which is the outer quote?

I know what you wrote, and I understand it. It is irrelevant — this is the part you're having problem understanding.

…which doesn't mean it's not a question that doesn't need answering. In fact, it's even more reason to answer it: because as you may have noticed, he's pretty confused about how this whole gaming thing works. It was a (very odd) tangent, but one that needed to be addressed because he needs to come out of his little la-la land.

Bringing the PvE aspects of EVE "into line" with other activities would be like bringing the FPS aspects of EVE in line, or the trading card aspects of EVE in line.

EVE is not a PvE game. If you want a PvE game, you have plenty of options. Go play one of those instead of trying to ruin EVE.