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Why the PVE of the game is so bad?

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#121 - 2013-07-10 17:10:07 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Tippia, you're doing it again, trying to define something already defined and well known in gaming.
No. I'm simply using the definitions as they have always been, without trying to bend them into five-dimentional pretzels to prove something that is not true about this game and without trying to move the goalposts by introducing different terms than was actually used before.

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PvE is player verse environment = interacting and fighting NPCs.
Not players itself (which is PvP).
Where does the opposition (i.e. interaction) come from when you're looting?
Where does the opposition (i.e. interaction) come from when you hunt for rats?

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When I'm questing in WoW it's pure PvE.
…and when you're doing it in EVE, it's not. Fancy that. It's almost as if they were completely different games.
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#122 - 2013-07-10 17:44:37 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
What shes trying to tell you is that when you're doing missions or other pve activity in this game you're in an open pvp space and prone to be engaged by other people. And she thinks this is an exclusive feature of this game and thats why the people come here to play it.

Well, im sorry to be such an illusion breaker, but not only this gameplay is not exculsive to EVE (in any open world pvp mmorpg you can be engaged while performing missions or tasks like travelling/resource gathering/manufacture/skill training/etc, getting killed and sent back to a shrine and have your vehicles armor and weapons damaged or destroyed) but also this is not the real reason why many people are attracted to and come play a space sci-fi game.

Besides, this doesnt mean that the pve content of the game (npc entities, their AI, the way they interact with the player, the incursions, missions and combat sites) and all the other shiny things asked by the players to make the game more complete and immersive (graphic and physics improvements, UI and ship control redesign, playable pirate/alien races/modular poses/walking in stations/populated planets) should be ignored, as they enrich the game and make it more complex and interesting for everyone.

Too many crybabies threatening to quit the game when they dont even buy PLEX and sub the game with moon goo isk traded to the "carebears" for their PLEX bought with real money? Heres a hug and a tissue to wipe those tears.
EVE devs been working on the game for too long are too tired, empty minded and lazy to bring anything valuable to the game? Ask to quit and get replaced by fresh meat who wants to work and got the vision and creativity to work on the game bros, dont drag the game into the sewer with yourselves.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#123 - 2013-07-10 18:25:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Uoweme
raven666wings wrote:
Ask to quit and get replaced by fresh meat


Where is that going to come from?

Fresh meat plays on consoles more each year.

EvE doesn't have a console port.

As a bittervet leaves, there's not many fresh meat to play anymore on the PC platform.

That's the reality in gaming across all genres.

And casual gaming is also the trend across all genres now. Gone are the days of 15hr raid nights 7 days a week because the pickings were slim. Today there's hundreds of MMOs to play. If publishers can get players to login 2hrs a night now, a game is doing good.

It's 2013, not 2004 anymore. Need to adapt to the changes in gaming itself.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#124 - 2013-07-10 18:40:48 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
As a bittervet leaves, there's not many fresh meat to play anymore on the PC platform.


Given your posting history, you certainly seem to be an expert on bitter.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#125 - 2013-07-10 18:42:27 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:


Where is that going to come from?

Fresh meat plays on consoles more each year.

EvE doesn't have a console port.

As a bittervet leaves, there's not many fresh meat to play anymore on the PC platform.

That's the reality in gaming across all genres.

And casual gaming is also the trend across all genres now. Gone are the days of 15hr raid nights 7 days a week because the pickings were slim. Today there's hundreds of MMOs to play. If publishers can get players to login 2hrs a night now, a game is doing good.

It's 2013, not 2004 anymore. Need to adapt to the changes in gaming itself.


Dude like... do you suffer from some sort of reading and comprehension impairment? Cause if you don't, you sure do a good job in pretending to... go and read my post again and try to understand the "fresh meat" im referring to is new people to go work on the game.
PC platform is dead you say? Oh boy... you need to go and check the sales/profits and online/playing players on PC gaming networks like Valve and come again.
Obunagawe
#126 - 2013-07-10 18:49:50 UTC
I think the absolute soul crushing nightmare that is PVE, is essential to giving a feeling of loss in PVP that we all love so much. Without the soul crushing tedium, you wouldn't really care that you lost a ship, as you had fun making the isk for it. But if getting a ship is such a truly awful experience that makes you want to gouge your eyes out, you will care more that you lost the ship.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#127 - 2013-07-10 19:20:52 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
As a bittervet leaves, there's not many fresh meat to play anymore on the PC platform.


Given your posting history, you certainly seem to be an expert on bitter.


Watching folks attack games either that they never played or haven't played in years, speaks volumes in itself of projection. Blink

raven666wings wrote:
im referring to is new people to go work on the game.


FNG would've been a better term. It's on terms that you can understand.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Verunae Caseti
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#128 - 2013-07-10 19:51:23 UTC
raven666wings wrote:
Well, im sorry to be such an illusion breaker, but not only this gameplay is not exculsive to EVE (in any open world pvp mmorpg you can be engaged while performing missions or tasks


Dear Mr. illusion-breaker, please list for me the MMO's that meet the following criteria:

1) More than 500 people logged in concurrently.
2) Open world free PvP anywhere in the game.
3) Actual risk of tangible loss upon death and the corollary promise of tangible gains upon successful PvP engagement.

I await your response with bated breath my illusion-breaking friend.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#129 - 2013-07-10 20:03:16 UTC
Posting in a "improve fun" = nerf mission income = nerf high sec thread.
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#130 - 2013-07-10 20:05:41 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Verunae Caseti wrote:


Dear Mr. illusion-breaker, please list for me the MMO's that meet the following criteria:

1) More than 500 people logged in concurrently.
2) Open world free PvP anywhere in the game.
3) Actual risk of tangible loss upon death and the corollary promise of tangible gains upon successful PvP engagement.

I await your response with bated breath my illusion-breaking friend.


Star Wars Galaxies (closed in 2011 due to SOE loss of publishing rights from Lucas Arts)
Anarchy Online (still running on a 2001 engine and stagnated even more than EVE)
Age of Wushu (chinese martial arts open world pvp game recently released)

If you wanna go into the MMOFPS category u can also name titles like Planetside 2 etc

but dont let this bother you! you can keep ur head shoved in ur rugged sandbox and watch people leave to play new upcoming titles like Star Citizen and others
Verunae Caseti
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#131 - 2013-07-10 20:13:33 UTC
raven666wings wrote:

Star Wars Galaxies (closed last year)
Anarchy Online (still running on a 2001 engine and stagnated even more than EVE)
Age of Wushu (chinese martial arts open world pvp game recently released)


So SWG obviously can't have 500 concurrent players if it doesn't exist.

Anarchy Online's PvP is absolutely not open world; there are tons of area restrictions, plus level restrictions, and limited loot.

Age of Wushu? A serious competitor to EVE.

Haha. Oh no! My ILLUSION IS BROKEN! My poor, precious illusion.

Sorry, mate. EVE is the only legitimate open-world PvP MMO option for serious players today.
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#132 - 2013-07-10 20:22:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Talon SilverHawk
If you don't like PVE, fine nothing to see here move along, go enjoy your sand box, If you do like PVE then content has been pretty static since for ever (like 2003), CCP please add some fresh sand to the kitty litter the sand box has become...



Tal
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#133 - 2013-07-10 20:22:25 UTC
raven666wings wrote:
dont worry you can keep ur head shoved in ur rugged sandbox and watch people leave to play new upcoming titles like Star Citizen and others

To be brutally honest we'll be well shot of those that do leave.

It'll mean less idiotic threads and posts about how Eve would be so much better if CCP followed x example from y game, less cries of "it's so unfair" that people working together can do better than a solo player, less demands for SP that haven't been earned, less people bemoaning that people who've been playing for 10 years are so much better than newbies and less complaints about the bad people who prey on others. The only thing we will miss is the abundance of tears that those people create.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#134 - 2013-07-10 20:24:17 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Verunae Caseti wrote:

Anarchy Online's PvP is absolutely not open world; there are tons of area restrictions, plus level restrictions, and limited loot.


Your inability to get urself pvp flagged and engage players in restricted pvp areas of the game does not imply that the mechanic does not exist.

Verunae Caseti wrote:

Age of Wushu? A serious competitor to EVE.


Competitor to EVE? I'm sorry, did you write that requirement in your last post? I did not see it

Verunae Caseti wrote:

Haha. Oh no! My ILLUSION IS BROKEN! My poor, precious illusion.

Sorry, mate. EVE is the only legitimate open-world PvP MMO option for serious players today.


Well, as much as your deluded fanboi mind would like to believe, EVE is not the only legitimate open-world pvp option, it is, like I wrote before, the only sci-fi space MMO option available, and this is the reason why new people continue to come and try it. Sadly for you, when other sci-fi space MMORPG's come out you will get these new people stolen by better competition.
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#135 - 2013-07-10 20:28:50 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
To be brutally honest we'll be well shot of those that do leave.
It'll mean less idiotic threads and posts about how Eve would be so much better if CCP followed x example from y game, less cries of "it's so unfair" that people working together can do better than a solo player, less demands for SP that haven't been earned, less people bemoaning that people who've been playing for 10 years are so much better than newbies and less complaints about the bad people who prey on others. The only thing we will miss is the abundance of tears that those people create.


less money in CCP's bank account, mass firings and bakrupt company... yes yes... i see your point ... hahaha
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#136 - 2013-07-10 20:29:46 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
raven666wings wrote:
dont worry you can keep ur head shoved in ur rugged sandbox and watch people leave to play new upcoming titles like Star Citizen and others

To be brutally honest we'll be well shot of those that do leave.

It'll mean less idiotic threads and posts about how Eve would be so much better if CCP followed x example from y game, less cries of "it's so unfair" that people working together can do better than a solo player, less demands for SP that haven't been earned, less people bemoaning that people who've been playing for 10 years are so much better than newbies and less complaints about the bad people who prey on others. The only thing we will miss is the abundance of tears that those people create.



Nope it will mean more idiotic threads for the ppl arguing the opposite, the thing I would like to be able to miss is the increasing self righteous drivel that comes from the "we know better than you crowd in these forums."

P.S show me any game that wants to lose subscribers (especially a paid subscription game) (why hello mister ex EA man)

Tal

Verunae Caseti
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#137 - 2013-07-10 20:31:40 UTC
raven666wings wrote:
Competitor to EVE? im sorry, did you write that requirement in your last post? I did not see it


That was, kind of like, the topic of conversation? I thought it went without saying.

You claimed that open world PvP was not a reason people played EVE, I asked you to list legitimate alternatives, you failed miserably. All caught up now?

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Well, as much as your delluded fanboi mind would like to believe, EVE is not the only legitimate open-world pvp option, it is, like i wrote before, the only sci-fi space MMO option available, and this is the reason why new people continue to come and try it.


Nah. Gamers rarely choose games for their settings. They choose games for their features. I came back to EVE for the PvP, not because it's ERMERGAWD SPACESHIPZ!

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the only sci-fi space MMO option available


Yeah, totally not like SWTOR qualifies or anything.
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#138 - 2013-07-10 20:35:16 UTC
lol sorry but ur not making any sense now brah ur just spewing some random shiet. swtor? muahahha please dont make me laugh
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#139 - 2013-07-10 20:37:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Talon SilverHawk wrote:

Nope it will mean more idiotic threads for the ppl arguing the opposite, the thing I would like to be able to miss is the increasing self righteous drivel that comes from the "we know better than you crowd in these forums."

P.S show me any game that wants to lose subscribers (especially a paid subscription game) (why hello mister ex EA man)

Tal


That's easy, don't use the forums, nobody is forcing you to read the increasing self righteous drivel that comes from the "we know better than you crowd", who incidentally are, for the most part, the ones claiming x feature from y game would make Eve better.

I play Eve because of what it is, a no holds barred do unto others before they do unto you game, not because I want it to became yet another bland game with such moronic mechanics that it drives players to games like Eve, who then ruin it and demand it's dumbed down because it's too hard.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Delteeno
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#140 - 2013-07-10 20:38:35 UTC
I've been onagain, off again PVp and PVE, from mining to mission running, to exploration. I think the key is to just mix it up a bit and kep it from getting too stale.