EVE General Discussion

The above is an example why mouth breathers should never dictate how a game "should" be played, as they don't understand even the basics of MMO design.

No PvE, EvE dies. Pure and simple.

When WoW did their inhouse study of it's players (you know the largest pool in MMOs without counting alt accounts as people? You know EvE players, too?) 20% was playing solo as a choice. That's on par with other group oriented games.

CCP loses 20% of it's player base, put a fork in EvE it's over. EvE operates in a manner losing that many the game can't profit. Without a profit, games can't exist.

So, no, ending PvE isn't going to happen. SWG:NGE is an example what a game turns into when the market and crafting goes bye bye...it dies on the vine.

If EvE was more PvE friendly, it wouldn't be sitting at 500k players today and over half are alt accounts.

If EvE had better PvE it would likely have more players based on comparison of other games which have both PvP and PvE servers. The PvE only servers were usually around 3 to 10 times more populated.

If EvE had only PvP I dont think it would have survived at all. Also fyi trading manufacturering is also a PvE activity. Environment does not only mean NPC.

lol if you want to try that logic than npcing / missions is PvP, you compete with other players for isk generation / module drops. PvP is player v player combat or subtefuge anything else is stretching definitions with stupid.

It's difficult to make this comparison. What you're doing is comparing a game with PVE and PVP servers to a game with PVE and PVP activities on the same server, IE a game that has segregated players and rulesets versus one that tries with mixed results to encompass both player types under one ruleset. To really get into understanding what would happen, you need to understand why people PvE. For many, it's because it's safe. Safety is more relaxing. when you work 9-10+ hours a day you don't want your leisure time to be high stress, worrying about what you're risking or whether the gains from tonight's activities will cover your expenses, whether someone will decide to ruin your day, etc. PvE is frequently a area of games that exist for relaxation. This rule can actually make PVP relaxing too; DUST can be more relaxing because death in dust is pretty meaningless and death recovery is near instant. Death in EVE can mean you aren't playing anymore for the evening since you have to go fit out a new ship, which will take a while. Not to mention recovering the cost of the lost ship. As for PvE being safe, well... nothing in EVE is safe. Personally, I advocate 'hi-sec' being renamed something like 'sub-capital space', that way it's less misleading for new players. Tricking casual, solo and/or PvE friendly players into thinking there is a place for them in New Eden is either a cunning business decision or a terrible mistake.

Someone above said that 20% of MMO gamers prefer solo. That's numbers culled from WOW's metrics and demographics. WoW has a much, much lower barrier to entry for group play. In EVE I suspect the barrier for entry for group play either pushes that number higher, or pushes those 20% of players out of the game.

Trading is definitely PvP, your contracts, and buy/ sell orders directly compete with other peoples contracts and buy/ sell orders, the same can be said for any player manufactured item that is sold via contracts or the market. In short if you are directly competing with another player it is PvP.

PvP is not limited to shooting other peoples space ships, it is any instance where you are directly competing with another player for a reward, that reward can be isk, loot drops, rage in local or hate mail.

All of the PvE content in Eve is there to fuel PvP, missions give isk and LP as a reward, mission runners buy stuff made by players from the market and contracts, or change their LP into items that can either be for their own use or sold in the same manner. Miners compete for Ice and minerals then either sell the refined products in direct competition with other players, or use them to manufacture other items that are sold via the market or contracts. Any items that are kept for personal use deprives another player of a potential sale, so that is also technically PvP.

2 can play the logical conclusion game.

Have tried sometimes other mmo , but pve overthere was even mor boring as eve cause there was no danger to it.

In eve you can atleast get ganked everywhere

so , please point me a mmo where the pve is thrilling.

You should not get so upset, this is bad for your health. Sit down, close your eyes, take a deep breath and repeat with me... wooosah




CCP is doing so good they're going on desperate hiring sprees hiring youtube girls and pay2win weasels. Check yourself before you wreck yourself with such rants brah, its empty-minded crybabies like you that are stagnating EVE and holding it back from becoming a rich universe with that "internet spaceships" shiet. Wait and watch the next space sci-fi mmo come out like Star Citizen and u'll see where those 500k subs go. Not being able to grasp that the only reason why this old and rugged EVE is still suceeding to lure some ppl here and getting some subs is because its the ONLY sci-fi space mmorpg out there only shows ur deep dementia and loss of contact with reality.

I never thought I would see the day I agreed with a member of the Goon movement, but this is something that I have been advocating for awhile.

CCP went part of the way with faction warfare, but it should be expanded further.

Example:
Amarr player character gets a mission to defend a slave pen in a certain system.
Minmatar player character gets a mission to take down a slave pen in a certain system.

Winner takes all.

Obviously it will not be that easy, there would need to be some ballancing issues and the like. But it would certainly be something to help break down the division between PvP and PvE

Or a jealous post sniper. Pure and simple.



How many quit? Like 1.7 million in WoW over Cata?

Over 3x more of ALL OF EVE quit WoW in protest.

They didn't need to stage 12 year-old antics for Blizzard to "get the message".

Wise up. Get out and play more games. There's protests almost every day in them, for the same issues...without having a heart attack over it.

Where does the opposition come from when you're looting?
And note that I said hunt for, not fight. Where does the opposition come from when you hunt for rats?

If you say “the environment”, I'm afraid I have to inform you that you need to learn the difference between pluses and boxes on the overview…