EVE General Discussion

Because no fun is allowed.

i see problems and no solutions

go on, spin us a mechanic that doesnt get boring the 100th time you do it

Dynamic content.

There are six (I think) different rat "races" in game. Using the current mission framework, randomize the rat race, ship numbers and types. If recovering an object, randomize which object and room it is contained in.

Introduce sleeper incursions into k space. Randomize incursion ship types and numbers. Allow incursion rats to attack POSes in k space. Allow sleepers to attack POSes in w space.

Remove ore belts and ore anoms completely. They now must be scanned. Increase the variation of ore spawning in all systems.

Make moon goo a finite commodity that respawns after 2-3 weeks after running out. Randomize the spawn forcing more low and null sec dynamics.

Randomize belt rats making belt chaining near impossible.

Add 20-30 more exploration sites with a massively randomized loot spectrum. Randomize whether sites get rats and the composition.

Add more systems that must be discovered, gates built to, planets and moons scanned for resources.

Make newly built gates public or private. Either way, charge a toll to recoup construction costs.

For those concerned about lore, make something up. The game is as weak on story driven lore as all the rest of the PvE.

The only sensible way I could see to make the universe seem more dynamic, by messing with NPC entities, would be to also make the universe far more dangerous on the "PvE" level, to a point where missions become far more unpredictable, jumping to some gates might trigger NPC ambushes, random reinforcements in missions, scripted randomized missions events such as trapped containers, or added damage generating elements in missions (google "EVE Patient Zero") and so on.

Would it make the EVE universe a far more interesting place? Sure. Would the "Carebear" population have a massive fit? Oh yea.

I'd say bring it on. As long as the danger vs reward is not unbalanced - and good luck with balancing that - I fail to see how EVE would be made worse. PvE ships should die a LOT as far as I am concerned, after all those damn NPC pirates are fed up with you just barging in and taking the Damsel - AGAIN - so try looking smug when they uncloak 6 bombers and start wailing on your ass.

Anyway. Too much work for CCP. Can't really blame the little guys.

You are correct that every mechanic will become repetitive after a few times but I agree that the PVE is very predictable. Video games are like that and with the slight exceptions EVE is like that. Fleet doctrines ensure that we will play the same game over and over.

I have been thinking about this for a while and the only way to fix something like this is to make the rats able to scale to the ability of the ratter. I think my biggest problem is that the rats can be goggled and a description of their setups and numbers found easily. Rats should have their numbers, setups and tactics varied depending on the number of ratters, how fast the ratters kill the rats and a couple of the rats should carry a ship scanner that inputs some info into an algorithm that chooses a more difficult set of rats.

Vary the ship types, weapons carried, ranges, speeds, tank types and number of rats. Being able to do and internet search and determine that you can win is a junk way of doing things. I would love to see more ships put onto kill boards by rats. I don't think they need to act like real people with top level AI but make it a challenge and risky. I don't want to drive people away from EVE because they can't farm but it is too easy. I can almost let my drones out and AFK sites. Where is the fun in that?

My solution is to mix it up. A change is as good as a break. I know not all PVE activities pay the same but EVE online's strength is that there are a great many ways to make isk. Try them all, when you get bored do something else.

If you're finding missions boring, forget about the isk as in that's just a bonus. If the mission (combat) is boring then likelihood is that it's too easy for you, get a higher level mission or use a smaller ship.

Many people do boring stuff with alts to finance their PvP, but the main reason they find it boring is because they would rather be doing PvP.

Any PvE content will become boring after awhile, someone who can play many hours in a day will get bored a lot faster than someone that only plays a few hours a days.

How about escourt missions?

protect a transport as it picks up stuff from a base and get it back to the gate and protect it from enemy ships. Yes it would probadly be hated by some people but it is a area that the missions do not cover at present.

Randomising NPCs is a nice idea but I see some problems, randomising ships means randomising loot which could have some negative effect on some item prices. If there is a chance that rare and expensive items are dropped then the prices of those objects are going to fall. Which will annoy the players who make those items.

Have you actually tried to make isk any other way?

sandbox dude.

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What, specifically, would make pve fun for you?