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Khira Kitamatsu
#141 - 2013-07-09 22:33:08 UTC
Daimon Kaiera wrote:
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:


Keep posting. You are making yourself look bad.


Tippia is really good at that. LOL!


Yes, and you're the best.


Answer my question? Do I need null and low sec to play EVE online? You and Tippia and everyone else have yet to answer that question. It is the whole point of how null and low sec have zero affect on me in game. Because even if null and low sec were removed and no longer existed - guess what I can still play. ZERO impact - ZERO affect. So tell me how null and low sec affect my game. Please, I am listening.

If you say I can't play EVE without null and low sec - you are simply deluding yourself and your brain is seriously broken.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#142 - 2013-07-09 22:36:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Captain Tardbar wrote:
*sigh* Its like arguing with a four legged animal.
I agree. It's as if you didn't understand the difference between premise, syllogism and conclusion. It seems you are completely oblivious to the concept of fallacies and which type operates at which level.

Quote:
If at least one null sec member buys any goods from Jita it means they support lone high sec mining.
Ok. You went off the rails that early this time, huh. Ok let's go back to that original statement yet again:

“Alliances have their own resources, in all respects.
Trust [Amnesiaa Haze], Alliances do not rely on lone Hisec miners to supply their war efforts.”

If at least one null sec member buys any goods from Jita, it means squat for how much alliance relies on highsec mining. Unless they pretty much all do it to a man, the alliance does not rely on those miners.

Quote:
Sure this might mean that null sec industry needs fixing, but it doesn't mean that null sec industry is 100% self sufficient.
…which no-one claimed to begin with. The claim was that “alliances have their own resources, in all respects”. Alliances. Not nullsec industry. You need to stop making up strawman arguments and claims that were never made. You need to stop with your non-exhaustive categorisation.

You're piling fallacy upon fallacy upon fallacy, and then you complain that no-one agrees with your logic. There's a reason for that: because it's fallacious — it does not hold.

Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
Answer my question? Do I need null and low sec to play EVE online?
As already explained to you in full, yes. You have yet to dispute or disprove this with anything other than evasions and abuse, which rather suggests that you have no actual counter-argument and that you know full well that it's true.
Khira Kitamatsu
#143 - 2013-07-09 22:40:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Khira Kitamatsu
Tippia wrote:


Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
Answer my question? Do I need null and low sec to play EVE online?
As already explained to you in full, yes. You have yet to dispute or disprove this with anything other than evasions and abuse, which rather suggests that you have no actual counter-argument and that you know full well that it's true.


Bullshit...in the famous words of Malcanis...I call bullshit...and you are full of it. Tell me one thing, one thing I need from null or low to play EVE online- just one thing! Tell me one item that is required that is a "must have" in order to play EVE online that comes from null and low sec. Otherwise - STFU...you are delusional.

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#144 - 2013-07-09 22:42:14 UTC
Well, I had a good reply to the OP's post but posting that now no longer seems relevant.
Morale forum warfare, good job GD. What?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#145 - 2013-07-09 22:42:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
Bullshit.
Then prove it.
Tell us what it is you do and how you believe it to be completely disconnected from the market, from the economy, from production, and from destruction.

Quote:
Tell me one thing, one thing I need from null or low to play EVE online- just one thing!
I've told you a number of things. Maybe you should address them and demonstrate how they aren't needed.
Khira Kitamatsu
#146 - 2013-07-09 22:44:33 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
Bullshit.
Then prove it.
Tell us what it is you do and how you believe it to be completely disconnected to the market, to production, and to destruction.

Quote:
Tell me one thing, one thing I need from null or low to play EVE online- just one thing!
I've told you a number of things. Maybe you should address them and demonstrate how they aren't needed.


Yep..knew it...you are just trolling and refuse to answer the question. Told you before I will not play your circle jerk game.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#147 - 2013-07-09 22:49:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
Yep..knew it...you are just trolling and refuse to answering the question.
I answered it in full. In fact, I answered it before you even posed it. You just don't like the answer, which is why you keep repeating it in futile hope that the answer will magically change.

If you think I'm wrong, prove me wrong. You can start by telling me what it is you do and how you believe it to be completely disconnected from the market, from the economy, from production, and from destruction.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#148 - 2013-07-09 22:55:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
Because even if null and low sec were removed and no longer existed - guess what I can still play.

You'd be playing something, it might look like Eve, it might even smell like Eve, but it would actually be a pisspoor facsimile of Eve, ergo you wouldn't be playing Eve.

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yoni
DU5T
#149 - 2013-07-09 23:25:09 UTC  |  Edited by: yoni
Broe wrote:


Does this not pose a problem?
You ended up in the wrong game. You need to find a game that makes a difference between pvp servers and regular servers, where pvp only happens in special zones, where you go when you happen to feel like pvp.

In this game, anything goes, and harassment is only if somebody dogs you for a ridiculously long time.
yoni
DU5T
#150 - 2013-07-09 23:30:46 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
*sigh* Its like arguing with a four legged animal.
I agree. It's as if you didn't understand the difference between premise, syllogism and conclusion. It seems you are completely oblivious to the concept of fallacies and which type operates at which level.

Quote:
If at least one null sec member buys any goods from Jita it means they support lone high sec mining.
Ok. You went off the rails that early this time, huh. Ok let's go back to that original statement yet again:

“Alliances have their own resources, in all respects.
Trust [Amnesiaa Haze], Alliances do not rely on lone Hisec miners to supply their war efforts.”

If at least one null sec member buys any goods from Jita, it means squat for how much alliance relies on highsec mining. Unless they pretty much all do it to a man, the alliance does not rely on those miners.

Quote:
Sure this might mean that null sec industry needs fixing, but it doesn't mean that null sec industry is 100% self sufficient.
…which no-one claimed to begin with. The claim was that “alliances have their own resources, in all respects”. Alliances. Not nullsec industry. You need to stop making up strawman arguments and claims that were never made. You need to stop with your non-exhaustive categorisation.

You're piling fallacy upon fallacy upon fallacy, and then you complain that no-one agrees with your logic. There's a reason for that: because it's fallacious — it does not hold.

Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
Answer my question? Do I need null and low sec to play EVE online?
As already explained to you in full, yes. You have yet to dispute or disprove this with anything other than evasions and abuse, which rather suggests that you have no actual counter-argument and that you know full well that it's true.



Oh god, more stupid, lengthy, pedantic arguments over a virtual space ship epeen game. Roll
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#151 - 2013-07-09 23:31:03 UTC
Quote:
Do I need null and low sec to play EVE online?


Yes. They are the driving force behind almost all of the game's economy. And the economy is the driving force behind almost everything the highsec focused players do.

Quote:
Because even if null and low sec were removed and no longer existed - guess what I can still play


World of Warcraft? Because EVE would be shut down within two weeks.

Quote:
So tell me how null and low sec affect my game. Please, I am listening.


You're not listening. You are pretending to, in an attempt to seem the more reasonable party, but when faced with direct questions or challenges to your "evidence" (which, btw, is thus far nonexistent), you do your best to handwave away anything not fluffing your own twisted opinion.

It's intellectual dishonesty on a level that is incredible even for these forums. With this much brain power diverted toward solipsism, you must struggle to breathe.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

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Khira Kitamatsu
#152 - 2013-07-09 23:43:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Khira Kitamatsu
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quote:
Do I need null and low sec to play EVE online?


Yes. They are the driving force behind almost all of the game's economy. And the economy is the driving force behind almost everything the highsec focused players do.

Quote:
Because even if null and low sec were removed and no longer existed - guess what I can still play


World of Warcraft? Because EVE would be shut down within two weeks.

Quote:
So tell me how null and low sec affect my game. Please, I am listening.


You're not listening. You are pretending to, in an attempt to seem the more reasonable party, but when faced with direct questions or challenges to your "evidence" (which, btw, is thus far nonexistent), you do your best to handwave away anything not fluffing your own twisted opinion.

It's intellectual dishonesty on a level that is incredible even for these forums. With this much brain power diverted toward solipsism, you must struggle to breathe.


Maybe you think that EVE would shut down...doubtful...considering there are thousands of players that never see null sec or low sec and have no intention of ever going there - ever. LOL!

No name me one thing from null sec or low sec that I need to play EVE online. Name me just one thing. Then I'll concede your argument. Until then...I play EVE and nothing that happens in null or low will ever affect my game in EVE - ever. Not once...it has zero impact on my game play. None. Period. End of story.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#153 - 2013-07-09 23:45:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
No name me one thing from null sec or low sec that I need to play EVE online.
How about you address the multiple things that have already been named before asking for more?

Quote:
I play EVE and nothing that happens in null or low will ever affect my game in EVE - ever.
Everything that has happened in low and null has already affected your game, and will continue to do so. Every time. Your denying or ignoring this doesn't change the fact that it has, does, and will.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#154 - 2013-07-09 23:46:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Quote:
No name me one thing from null sec or low sec that I need to play EVE online. Name me just one thing. Then I'll concede your argument. Until then...I play EVE and nothing that happens in null or low will ever affect my game in EVE - ever. Not once...it has zero impact on my game play. None. Period. End of story.


Market demand.

The majority of good produced in highsec, are one way or another headed to lower security areas, or are being sold by the lowsec and nullsec players' alts.

So, I ask you, what precisely do you do in EVE? There really isn't much that you can do that isn't effected by nullsec or lowsec. Maybe distribution missions.

So, the burden of proof is on you. How is it that your activities are not effected?

[Edit: The other thing is, you seem to think this is within your control. It's not. If they wished to, even a small-medium nullsec bloc can lock down an entire system for days at a time with little difficulty.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Frying Doom
#155 - 2013-07-09 23:49:36 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quote:
No name me one thing from null sec or low sec that I need to play EVE online. Name me just one thing. Then I'll concede your argument. Until then...I play EVE and nothing that happens in null or low will ever affect my game in EVE - ever. Not once...it has zero impact on my game play. None. Period. End of story.


Market demand.

The majority of good produced in highsec, are one way or another headed to lower security areas, or are being sold by the lowsec and nullsec players' alts.

So, I ask you, what precisely do you do in EVE? There really isn't much that you can do that isn't effected by nullsec or lowsec. Maybe distribution missions.

So, the burden of proof is on you. How is it that your activities are not effected?

No even distribution missions are affected, as soon as you spend the isk you get or buy an item with LP in order to sell it, you are running into a market controlled by supply and demand.

The only way to not be effected by Null/Lo-sec is to run missions and never spend a dime.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Khira Kitamatsu
#156 - 2013-07-09 23:49:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Khira Kitamatsu
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quote:
No name me one thing from null sec or low sec that I need to play EVE online. Name me just one thing. Then I'll concede your argument. Until then...I play EVE and nothing that happens in null or low will ever affect my game in EVE - ever. Not once...it has zero impact on my game play. None. Period. End of story.


Market demand.

The majority of good produced in highsec, are one way or another headed to lower security areas, or are being sold by the lowsec and nullsec players' alts.

So, I ask you, what precisely do you do in EVE? There really isn't much that you can do that isn't effected by nullsec or lowsec. Maybe distribution missions.

So, the burden of proof is on you. How is it that your activities are not effected?


Sorry doesn't affect me...the market can go all nutsy...don't need it. I can get everything I need from running missions. ISK...loot...ammo...fittings...the rest can come from LP stores or mission rewards and crafting. So tell me how the market affects my my missioning. Missions are created by the game - not null of low sec. The market can fry for all I care.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#157 - 2013-07-09 23:52:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Quote:
Sorry doesn't effect me...the market can go all nutsy...don't need it. I can get everything I need from running missions. ISK...loot...ammo...fittings...the rest can come from LP stores or mission rewards. So tell me how the market affects my my missioning. Missions are created by the game - not null of low sec. The market can fry for all I care.


So... you really think you can live off ammo drops from NPCs?

And what are you going to do with the ISK you get from running missions? Nothing but PLEX your account, hmm?

Also, I would still say you can be effected by nullsec. They can roll into a mission hub and lock it down, interdict the crap out of it, and you cannot mission there anymore. Yes, you could move, but you still would have been effected.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#158 - 2013-07-09 23:53:28 UTC
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University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#159 - 2013-07-09 23:55:01 UTC
Amnesiaa Haze wrote:



The game is about... this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=256142&find=unread

Great wars, 1000's of players fighting, Victory/Defeats & Tears, Alliances, Coalitions, Sovereignty, Trust, Backstabbing, Wealth and Power.


As a Hisec miner chewing spacerocks in your mining frigate while you play WoT and LoL in another window... you're INSIGNIFICANT, you're just an individual with no cause... nobody CARES, CCP doesn't CARE, just shut up and keep mining... or unsubscribe and play something else.



Spoken by a forum alt in a High Sec NPC starter corporation.

that said, I tend to agree with you.
Khira Kitamatsu
#160 - 2013-07-09 23:58:48 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quote:
Sorry doesn't effect me...the market can go all nutsy...don't need it. I can get everything I need from running missions. ISK...loot...ammo...fittings...the rest can come from LP stores or mission rewards. So tell me how the market affects my my missioning. Missions are created by the game - not null of low sec. The market can fry for all I care.


So... you really think you can live off ammo drops from NPCs?

And what are you going to do with the ISK you get from running missions? Nothing but PLEX your account, hmm?

Also, I would still say you can be effected by nullsec. They can roll into a mission hub and lock it down, interdict the crap out of it, and you cannot mission there anymore. Yes, you could move, but you still would have been effected.


There is nothing that is required, has an affect, or necessary from low or null sec to play EVE. If null and low sec were removed right now and no longer existed - guess what - I can sign in and keep playing as if nothing happened. LOL!

And you know what is the best thing about it - it really pisses you guys off that null and low sec aren't really needed to play EVE at all. :)

Still waiting for someone to name me one requirement from null and low sec that is a must have to play EVE - just one item.

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