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Jooce McNasty
Islefive Consulting
#21 - 2011-10-25 02:15:53 UTC
I know it won't happen. Hi-Sec players are not that organized and cannot decided on what they want fixed. It's either missions, mining, or crying about ganks.

If for some reason there was some figure in hi-sec that could get these "targets" to unify then stuff might change, but they won't and none of them really seem willing on trying.


Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#22 - 2011-10-25 02:17:45 UTC
Jooce McNasty wrote:
I know it won't happen. Hi-Sec players are not that organized and cannot decided on what they want fixed. It's either missions, mining, or crying about ganks.

If for some reason there was some figure in hi-sec that could get these "targets" to unify then stuff might change, but they won't and none of them really seem willing on trying.




yeah this

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Yes
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#23 - 2011-10-25 02:30:18 UTC
Maybe if you guys would you know... participate in the elections more and at least know who is what where and what they stand for.

I would run for CSM however, my school is less forgiving.

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#24 - 2011-10-25 02:32:46 UTC
Just FYI I will vote for anyone who proposes making it harder for highsec industrial corps to put up POS towers worth billions and billions of isk with 0 risk of losing them and I bet you all the highsec merc/griefing corps will too.
CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
#25 - 2011-10-25 07:05:11 UTC
Moved from "EVE General Discussion".

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Red Templar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2011-10-25 08:16:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Red Templar
We play this game because in the sea of other online games, its distinctly unique. It has a lot of cool stuff that other games do not have, and will never have. List is too long to describe it all.

But one of the things that makes this game so unique is CSM. Its probably (im not sure, i do not follow other games much) the only case when players are able to choose their representatives, that will work together with produces of the game to make it better.

Its a global election, not just some random dudes from different servers of the same game who meet with devs and tell what is good and whatnot. Its an opportunity for players to make their voices and concerns to be heard. CCP invested some (arguably marginal) power in CSM, thats probably the only case when company did that and allowed players to officially influence the development process.

And here come the dude who say we should remove it.

Why?

Because some people finally woke up (like 8 month AFTER last elections, and after 5 years when CSM werent so efficient and loud) and found out that the CSM represents those, who voted for them, not those who didnt give a F**K, but expect to be represented anyway.

They do not propose to improve CSM, at least i havent seen any real proposals, only a lot of threads full of whine and rage. They do not plan to take it over with next election and show how it needs to be run.

No, they dont want that. Too much EFFORT! They just want it gone. Plain and simple.

They want a unique piece of this game and our community to be removed. One of the things that makes it special.

And here i thought we want to make this game better and even more unique. Meh... Ugh

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Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
#27 - 2011-10-25 08:24:52 UTC
Next time vote for someone that represents your interests instead of coming here crying and moaning cause u aren't getting your way.
Tore Vest
#28 - 2011-10-25 10:24:48 UTC
CSM is not doing anything good for the average player.
Just remove them.. and try something else CCP

No troll.
Gerard Gendri
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2011-10-25 11:54:28 UTC
Tore Vest wrote:
CSM is not doing anything good for the average player.
Just remove them.. and try something else CCP


I am a very average player and this current CSM has been helpful to me as an average player beyond my wildest dreams.
Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#30 - 2011-10-25 12:21:33 UTC
+1
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#31 - 2011-10-25 12:47:14 UTC
Tore Vest wrote:
CSM is not doing anything good for the average player.
Just remove them.. and try something else CCP


Could you tell me how ship spinning, hybrid weapon rebalancing, capital ship balancing and improvements on lag aren't good for the average player?

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#32 - 2011-10-25 12:59:54 UTC
Also, for the OP - please see a psychiatrist. Something is terribly wrong with you.

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Jooce McNasty
Islefive Consulting
#33 - 2011-10-25 13:17:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Jooce McNasty
Tore Vest wrote:
CSM is not doing anything good for the average player.
Just remove them.. and try something else CCP



What do you consider the average player?

The 37514 players that are in the top 10 largest alliances? Are those not average players?

That's it just 10 alliances.

If you add in the next 10 alliances that takes the number up to just around 50k players? Are those not consider'd average players?

I want to hear your definition of an average player?

Are you only considering the High Sec players average players?

Because that seems to be taking only a portion of the players base, and yes I know that 50k players does not include any High Sec alliance because High Sec players seem to want to be left alone they do not create large alliances. If they do the Alliances seem to be smaller.

Like I have stated before

If you want your CSM to represent you get your voice heard and find a figurehead.

Until that point please stop trying to destroy another part of this game that makes it so unique.

BTW you could vote for me next CSM elections, I'd love a free trip to Iceland.
Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2011-10-25 14:31:37 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
I feel vaguely bad about Two Step and Trebor and the other hardworking members of the CSM being slandered merely because I blew up your mining barge.

That said, sorry, I'm not going to stop blowing up your barges.

The Mittani -- creating hisec voters, one mining barge at a time. Twisted

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Signal11th
#35 - 2011-10-25 14:49:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Signal11th
Fras Siabi wrote:
I want CCP to stop trying to please me as a player. I want them to disband the CSM and stop asking it's player base and money tree for its opinions. Clearly, we are all idiots and don't know what is best for this game and should not have opinions or elected representatives. I am unhappy that the CSM stood up for me as a player and confronted CCP about monoclegate. I am unhappy that players like The Mittani have taken it upon themselves to try and fix a game so that they and others can have fun. I want CCP to stop caring about me as a player and hire Bobby Kotick to take over Eve development.



Sorry but you're under some sort of illusion, CSM didn't solely confront CCP about MG the couple of thousand "OMGWHATHAVEYOUDONE" posts already alerted CCP to that.
If anything they pushed a snowball down the hill that was already rolling.

Mittani (not bashing Mits just using him as an example) thinks his version of the game is broken but others are happy, it's not his or anyones position on the CSM to force through changes that he/his alliance doesn't like. (not saying thats whats happening but it comes across like that sometimes) As has been said in many many many previous posts the CSM represents the "greater" bunch of EVE players which is at moment high-sec.Obviously others sections of EVE need representing of course but If he doesn't or anyone else doesn't like it they should quit the CSM.


They are not there to save "their" version of what EVE should be, they are there to present stuff to the great unwashed (the rest of us) and if we likey we say and if we don't we say we don't. It's then up to them to sell that to CCP.

I'm not completely disagreeing with you at all, I like the CSM, I think the current bunch have done a good job and I'm getting tired of all the people knocking them especially with the amount of work they have done, but please stop trying to tell us they are solely responsible for saving EVE because that's horsesh1t.

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Bromothymol
Old 'n Cranky
#36 - 2011-10-25 16:03:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Bromothymol
Jooce McNasty wrote:

[snip]You will always see more CSM's from 0.0 due to the size of alliances and corporations out in Null. Unless the High sec players can get together and form a cohesive group this will be the way the CSM goes to the end of time, or until CCP changes the way that the CSM works.


This is rich.

Everybody has already forgotten that the entire reason 0.0 mobilized for the CSM6 election was because of an extended string of CSMs that either ignored null completely, or implemented changes that only made null sec worse. The shoe is now on the other foot.

Oddly enough, the complaints about the current CSM come amidst a series of changes that look to improve the game for all players. I would guess that the loudest complainers aren't aware of what game they are playing.
Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2011-10-25 16:56:24 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
I feel vaguely bad about Two Step and Trebor and the other hardworking members of the CSM being slandered merely because I blew up your mining barge.

That said, sorry, I'm not going to stop blowing up your barges.

The Mittani -- creating hisec voters, one mining barge at a time. Twisted

Now get them to agree on a candidate.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#38 - 2011-10-25 20:04:43 UTC
Rico Fuerte wrote:
CSM what do they do. Seems like to me they are the whiners of EVE. The few the loud. And when we vote for them we have no clue who they are really. I do not like them dictating and putting pressure on CCP. CSM does not build crap. CSM is players and nothing more. They only look after their intrests. And please you idiots who say you are going to quit if you dont get your way. Please quit go away. This game will still be here. CCP take what the CSM says with a grain of salt and please know that they are not the community as a whole. They are a few big alliances leaders not one space dust more. And im sure the CSM would have you believe nothing gets done within EVE without them. lol LULZ that one. CCP you have built a great game and we do want stations to walk in and the full aspect of Incarna. Micro transactions are ok as long as they are for cloths stuff like that not ships or fittings but comestic stuff i am ok with. Keep up the great work and get rid of the CSM. Please they do not reprsent EVE pilots. They represent themselves and their alliances intrests only.



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Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#39 - 2011-10-25 20:05:41 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
I feel vaguely bad about Two Step and Trebor and the other hardworking members of the CSM being slandered merely because I blew up your mining barge.

That said, sorry, I'm not going to stop blowing up your barges.

The Mittani -- creating hisec voters, one mining barge at a time. Twisted



Give credit where it's due - mittens has done more to energise the hi-sec consituency than Ankhthingy ever managed to do.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#40 - 2011-10-25 20:55:42 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
I feel vaguely bad about Two Step and Trebor and the other hardworking members of the CSM being slandered merely because I blew up your mining barge.

That said, sorry, I'm not going to stop blowing up your barges.


Geez, if people keep making threads like this, I might have to load up a freighter full of brutixes and start doing some ganking myself.

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