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Miners. FORCE THE CHANGE
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The Apostle
Doomheim
#41 - 2011-10-25 02:41:48 UTC
Lex Arson wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
FORCE THE CHANGE

Stop whining. Stop crying. Stop giving gankers the pleasure. Stop making posts about how bad people are.

Use the same game mechanics you're losing to, grow some balls and start a supply embargo.

Effective start date - 1 November.

Follow these 3 steps.

1) Buy up Isogen in every station with every ISK you have.
2) Stop Mining.
3) Actively gank ANY miner/hauler that works against the embargo.

Pass it on. I will personally be visiting as many systems as possible over the next few days linking this post. MAKE it happen.

NO MORE CRYING ABOUT IT.

Word of advice. DO NOT respond to the trolls in this post. Let them play their childish games - among themselves.

OBJECTIVE: If CCP have NOT made changes to industrial suicide ganking by the New Year, unsub and state 1 reason only - Suicide ganking.

Game on....



Economy 101: the miners that don't agree with this, will just have even more of an incentive (increased demand = increased profit) to keep doing what they're doing.

Kill 'em.

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#42 - 2011-10-25 02:51:44 UTC
Hey apostle, have you ever actually been to highsec? Going from your posts I'm going to assume you haven't.

You may not be aware of this, but most highsec PVE and industry players live in a little world of their own where they are the only people and nothing matters except generating isk so they can get better at generating isk, often with the long term goal of moving into null/wormholes so that they can generate more isk. Even if miners read the forums, which most of them clearly don't from how many people get killed mining during various ganking events they are too self-interested and too locked into their patterns to do anything other than either mine or sit docked.

Moreover, it's highsec, almost every alliance and corp leader is too egotistical and self-assured to co-operate with eachother, even within the same alliance, each alliance executor and each CEO is too busy trying to tied up in the internal power struggle and trying to maintain control of his tiny little kingdom to actually do anything. The PVP corps aren't too far removed from this either, god knows I'm not interested in doing anything I'm not doing currently and the faction BS/neutral RR dickwaving contests are aplenty right now.

I don't even know who you think would actually do this, my only explaination is that you're even more detached from what is really happening in the game world as that miner who takes his 3 mack alts into a gallente ice belt later tonight then posts a thread about how concord needs a buff and that goons are going to kill the game.
Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2011-10-25 02:55:19 UTC
The Apostle has a lot of likes, so he must be doing something right...

He just needs MOAR DOTS!!!!

wipes wrote:
At 40% you will stop dots until then you will throw moar dots

throw more dots

more dots

more dots

come on more dots

OK sotp dots.

now hit it very hard. And very fast.

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Russell Casey
Doomheim
#44 - 2011-10-25 02:59:25 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Hey apostle, have you ever actually been to highsec? Going from your posts I'm going to assume you haven't.

You may not be aware of this, but most highsec PVE and industry players live in a little world of their own where they are the only people and nothing matters except generating isk so they can get better at generating isk, often with the long term goal of moving into null/wormholes so that they can generate more isk. Even if miners read the forums, which most of them clearly don't from how many people get killed mining during various ganking events they are too self-interested and too locked into their patterns to do anything other than either mine or sit docked.

Moreover, it's highsec, almost every alliance and corp leader is too egotistical and self-assured to co-operate with eachother, even within the same alliance, each alliance executor and each CEO is too busy trying to tied up in the internal power struggle and trying to maintain control of his tiny little kingdom to actually do anything. The PVP corps aren't too far removed from this either, god knows I'm not interested in doing anything I'm not doing currently and the faction BS/neutral RR dickwaving contests are aplenty right now.

I don't even know who you think would actually do this, my only explaination is that you're even more detached from what is really happening in the game world as that miner who takes his 3 mack alts into a gallente ice belt later tonight then posts a thread about how concord needs a buff and that goons are going to kill the game.


It's a shame highsec and nullsec players don't get along better when they have so much in common.
Lunscuro Nuajner
Four Gun
#45 - 2011-10-25 03:07:17 UTC
A little new here, so I'm not understanding what the chain of cause and effect should be here. Why isogen? And if only that, why not mine other things? And how should the suicide gankers be affected by this?
Altair Raja
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2011-10-25 03:09:48 UTC
note to self... sell that huge stack of iso i have stocked up in a few months

AFK cloaking doesn't earn anything, so it needs a buff!
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2011-10-25 03:17:23 UTC
So I hear us forum trolls are supposed to be playing Childish games amongst ourselves.

Er, uh, anyone up for some Heroclix?
The Apostle
Doomheim
#48 - 2011-10-25 03:22:45 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Hey apostle, have you ever actually been to highsec? Going from your posts I'm going to assume you haven't.

I don't even know who you think would actually do this, my only explaination is that you're even more detached from what is really happening in the game world as that miner who takes his 3 mack alts into a gallente ice belt later tonight then posts a thread about how concord needs a buff and that goons are going to kill the game.

I have spent considerable time (2 years?) in highsec. As of yesterday I sold all of my mining assets (totalling several 100 million) as a personal start in this campaign.

But let me make this clear. THINKING miners MUST unite - once and for all.

We can all sit forever and cry into our beer screaming for Concord buffs yadda ya. As has been PROVEN time and time again, it requires action - NOT more rhetoric and whining. Using the G**current campaign is perfect timing and is both the catalyst and the reason to act.

But it will HELP US. Think beyond YOUR isk. Miners have been telling people that they're NEEDED for years and years.

So PROVE IT....

STOP mining AND withhold supply. Let the non-indy's burn the market down chasing ships/mods and ammo. We're seeing the effects of the G**ns campaign - embargo/interdiction works.

Let's ADD to the carnage. It's not about YOU - it's about US...

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Nana Arcana
Doomheim
#49 - 2011-10-25 03:26:15 UTC
This is a stupid plan. No organized group has the resources to enforce the embargo game-wide, and besides you can get isogen from reprocessing mission loot. People who enjoy mining would be paying a sub to NOT enjoy their playstyle of choice (however questionable their taste)... what, for the sake of winning The Apostle's political argument?
Veronica Kerrigan
Surgically Constructed L Feminist
#50 - 2011-10-25 03:27:07 UTC
So wait, you are advocating something that would make the Drone Russians even more money than they already are. Makes perfect sense to me...
David Cedarbridge
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2011-10-25 03:27:24 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Hey apostle, have you ever actually been to highsec? Going from your posts I'm going to assume you haven't.

I don't even know who you think would actually do this, my only explaination is that you're even more detached from what is really happening in the game world as that miner who takes his 3 mack alts into a gallente ice belt later tonight then posts a thread about how concord needs a buff and that goons are going to kill the game.

I have spent considerable time (2 years?) in highsec. As of yesterday I sold all of my mining assets (totalling several 100 million) as a personal start in this campaign.

But let me make this clear. THINKING miners MUST unite - once and for all.

We can all sit forever and cry into our beer screaming for Concord buffs yadda ya. As has been PROVEN time and time again, it requires action - NOT more rhetoric and whining. Using the G**current campaign is perfect timing and is both the catalyst and the reason to act.

But it will HELP US. Think beyond YOUR isk. Miners have been telling people that they're NEEDED for years and years.

So PROVE IT....

STOP mining AND withhold supply. Let the non-indy's burn the market down chasing ships/mods and ammo. We're seeing the effects of the G**ns campaign - embargo/interdiction works.

Let's ADD to the carnage. It's not about YOU - it's about US...


Apparently, we are to understand that killing oneself is the solution to being beat up on.
The Apostle
Doomheim
#52 - 2011-10-25 03:28:08 UTC
Lunscuro Nuajner wrote:
A little new here, so I'm not understanding what the chain of cause and effect should be here. Why isogen? And if only that, why not mine other things? And how should the suicide gankers be affected by this?

Picking one single ore works exactly like the G**ns picking one ice type.

Nearly all T1 production (if not all) uses Isogen. Throttle it and you throttle production.

tbh, I could have picked any, eg: Tritanium, but the quanitites are so vast it'd be impossible to snatch it up.

So I picked Iso for 2 reasons.

Isogen is "buyable" and not in as abundant supply as Trit.
Very few bots mine it.

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Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2011-10-25 03:30:33 UTC
I could spend a couple of weeks ratting out here in drone lands, fill up a JF, jump it up to jita and offload about a billion units of trit if u like?

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The Apostle
Doomheim
#54 - 2011-10-25 03:30:49 UTC
Veronica Kerrigan wrote:
So wait, you are advocating something that would make the Drone Russians even more money than they already are. Makes perfect sense to me...

Bingo.

They got it anyway. They got vast wealth anyway. We can't stop them.

So let's **** over the ones who haven't got it.

Make THEM vulnerable. Watch the change.

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The Apostle
Doomheim
#55 - 2011-10-25 03:32:16 UTC
Xython wrote:
So I hear us forum trolls are supposed to be playing Childish games amongst ourselves.

Er, uh, anyone up for some Heroclix?

You just did.

Is it anything like Tetris?

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Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2011-10-25 03:34:53 UTC
BTW, there is nothing stopping anyone from forming a corp to head out to the drone regions to get a system and collect as many minerals and drone compounds as they possibly can, then jumping it up to high sec to sell. Your in arms reach of jita AND Rens.

Think about it.

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#57 - 2011-10-25 03:36:58 UTC
Are you even aware of the other people posting in a thread Apostle or what? It seems to me like you're just talking into the air towards some imaginary crowd of people that aren't really there. You're also obviously off your rocker and have massive delusions of grandeur.
Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2011-10-25 03:47:05 UTC
The Apostle
The Black Priests
Likes received: 653

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
Likes received: 33

Hmmm....

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The Apostle
Doomheim
#59 - 2011-10-25 03:48:03 UTC
Nana Arcana wrote:
This is a stupid plan. No organized group has the resources to enforce the embargo game-wide, and besides you can get isogen from reprocessing mission loot. People who enjoy mining would be paying a sub to NOT enjoy their playstyle of choice (however questionable their taste)... what, for the sake of winning The Apostle's political argument?

Better get missioning then, but [cough], don't forget you need to transport the Isogen.

But this >> "People who enjoy mining would be paying a sub to NOT enjoy their playstyle of choice ".

So you're ENJOYING what's happening NOW?

You don't actually get what this campaign is about do you?

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The Apostle
Doomheim
#60 - 2011-10-25 03:49:40 UTC  |  Edited by: The Apostle
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Are you even aware of the other people posting in a thread Apostle or what? It seems to me like you're just talking into the air towards some imaginary crowd of people that aren't really there. You're also obviously off your rocker and have massive delusions of grandeur.

Yes I am. Did I miss a non-troll thread that requires a response?

I'm doing my best while flying around in Eve and having convos left and right also. Sorry.

But "grandeur". Need to look that up. Wait One.

kk. I'm back.
Wiki said.
Quote:
GDs are characterized by fantastical beliefs that one is famous, omnipotent, wealthy, or otherwise very powerful.


Lemme give ya a tip. I chose "me" because NO-ONE else is doing it.

Another tip: Most Grandiose Delusionals are just politiely ignored as people quietly shake their heads in pity. You ain't quiet or shaking. More's to the point, what if this DOES work?? Is THAT what's worrying you?

I've already committed to this campaign so it's to hell and back all the way. I put my crazy hand up (I am after all a "Mad Aussie") so if it doesn't come off, I'll find some lonely supernova to lean against and quietly commit myself to the stars.

You got a problem with that?

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