These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Crime & Punishment

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Hisec nefarious activities and Crimewatch questions
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Phoenix Einherjar
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-07-08 02:02:11 UTC
See and Pee,

I've been doing some ninja salvaging/looting for a while and want to move onto something bigger. I have some questions:

  • Have you had any luck baiting mission runners into going suspect, or even Concordokken'd? I've tried targetting them and using a festival launcher but nobody has been dumb enough to take the bait yet.
  • What about baiting them with a jet can of your own?

  • No luck baiting? What about making the carebear go flashy green by you going suspect first ?
  • If a remote repair comes in to aid me (the suspect), he goes suspect too right? Does he get limited engagement with the carebear too?
  • If I'm suspect, and the carebear initiates a limited engagement with me, I can't have tackle/backup warp in can I? Is there any way for a friend to get in on the same limited engagement as me? As far as I know, being in a fleet or even corp doesn't help when I'm the one to go suspect first...

[URL=http://paradoxicalhonour.blogspot.com]Paradoxical Honour (blog)[/URL]
RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-07-08 17:13:54 UTC
Posting in a stealth nerf something thread.

Signatured removed, CCP Phantom
Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-07-08 18:54:39 UTC
Phoenix Einherjar wrote:

  • If a remote repair comes in to aid me (the suspect), he goes suspect too right? Does he get limited engagement with the carebear too?


    • Yes. No.

    Quote:

  • If I'm suspect, and the carebear initiates a limited engagement with me, I can't have tackle/backup warp in can I? Is there any way for a friend to get in on the same limited engagement as me? As far as I know, being in a fleet or even corp doesn't help when I'm the one to go suspect first...


    • No. Yes, if the target shoots the friend. Yes.
    Bi-Mi Lansatha
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #4 - 2013-07-08 20:58:07 UTC
    Phoenix Einherjar wrote:
    ...
  • Have you had any luck baiting mission runners into going suspect, or..
    • I never have, but... we had a dedicated Pirate in our Alliance that would kill mission runner in other Crops/Alliances that.... "deserved it". He told me that his method was to steal their loot in a ship that looked so inferior that the Mission Runner couldn't resist. He conned them into believing they had a sure kill, while all the time they were the ones most likely to die.
    Second hand knowledge... take it for what it is worth.

    Phoenix Einherjar
    Imperial Academy
    Amarr Empire
    #5 - 2013-07-08 21:51:36 UTC
    RomeStar wrote:
    Posting in a stealth nerf something thread.

    How on earth did you make it to that assumption? I'm just trying to get into Hisec piracy and just making sure I don't get CONCORD'd...

    Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:
    Helpful answers


    Thank you

    Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:
    Phoenix Einherjar wrote:
    ...
  • Have you had any luck baiting mission runners into going suspect, or..
    • I never have, but... we had a dedicated Pirate in our Alliance that would kill mission runner in other Crops/Alliances that.... "deserved it". He told me that his method was to steal their loot in a ship that looked so inferior that the Mission Runner couldn't resist. He conned them into believing they had a sure kill, while all the time they were the ones most likely to die.
    Second hand knowledge... take it for what it is worth.



    Yeah I figured this. Unfortunately I've found it difficult to get carebears to shoot me even in a frigate, and a frigate won't cut it with my skills...

    [URL=http://paradoxicalhonour.blogspot.com]Paradoxical Honour (blog)[/URL]
    Mike Adoulin
    Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
    #6 - 2013-07-08 21:56:16 UTC
    Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:
    Phoenix Einherjar wrote:
    ...
  • Have you had any luck baiting mission runners into going suspect, or..
    • I never have, but... we had a dedicated Pirate in our Alliance that would kill mission runner in other Crops/Alliances that.... "deserved it". He told me that his method was to steal their loot in a ship that looked so inferior that the Mission Runner couldn't resist. He conned them into believing they had a sure kill, while all the time they were the ones most likely to die. Second hand knowledge... take it for what it is worth.



    It's an old can-baiting trick, actually. Flip their can/wreck in a rookie ship, or some cheap frigate, get shot (and sometimes pop, but hey, its free/cheap), then come back in a OMGWTFPWNZor boat and have your nefarious way with them. 'Neutral' logi alt optional , of course.

    Everything in EVE is a trap.

    And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

    You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

    Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
    Phoenix Einherjar
    Imperial Academy
    Amarr Empire
    #7 - 2013-07-08 22:04:25 UTC
    Mike Adoulin wrote:
    It's an old can-baiting trick, actually. Flip their can/wreck in a rookie ship, or some cheap frigate, get shot (and sometimes pop, but hey, its free/cheap), then come back in a OMGWTFPWNZor boat and have your nefarious way with them. 'Neutral' logi alt optional , of course.


    No way to ensure they don't warp off in the meantime though is there? It's why I asked the questions in my OP. Unless I'm missing something?

    [URL=http://paradoxicalhonour.blogspot.com]Paradoxical Honour (blog)[/URL]
    Sabriz Adoudel
    Move along there is nothing here
    #8 - 2013-07-08 23:15:38 UTC
    I've got a few people to shoot me in highsec anomalies by running them suspect and stealing continually from 'their' wrecks while shooting my own wrecks.

    Problem is, when I've gone to ransom their pods, I've checked the character age and usually they are super, super new. So I unscram their pods and let them go with some advice.

    Might be worth trying that in scanned down L4s. Anyone running an L4 has played long enough that you don't need to show any mercy.

    I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
    Zappity
    New Eden Tank Testing Services
    #9 - 2013-07-08 23:40:59 UTC
    Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
    Problem is, when I've gone to ransom their pods, I've checked the character age and usually they are super, super new. So I unscram their pods and let them go with some advice.


    Yeah, I've done the same a few times. I usually convo ultra newby victims and if they have a good attitude they generally get a windfall.

    People learning PvP should be encouraged...

    Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
    Vimsy Vortis
    Shoulda Checked Local
    Break-A-Wish Foundation
    #10 - 2013-07-08 23:43:33 UTC
    Mike Adoulin wrote:
    It's an old can-baiting trick, actually. Flip their can/wreck in a rookie ship, or some cheap frigate, get shot (and sometimes pop, but hey, its free/cheap), then come back in a OMGWTFPWNZor boat and have your nefarious way with them. 'Neutral' logi alt optional , of course.

    You don't even need to change ship or bring in logistics half the time. Carebear mission ships typically can't deal with a PVP fit t1 frigate.
    Sabriz Adoudel
    Move along there is nothing here
    #11 - 2013-07-09 00:22:19 UTC
    Vimsy Vortis wrote:
    Mike Adoulin wrote:
    It's an old can-baiting trick, actually. Flip their can/wreck in a rookie ship, or some cheap frigate, get shot (and sometimes pop, but hey, its free/cheap), then come back in a OMGWTFPWNZor boat and have your nefarious way with them. 'Neutral' logi alt optional , of course.

    You don't even need to change ship or bring in logistics half the time. Carebear mission ships typically can't deal with a PVP fit t1 frigate.



    Depends on drones. Someone that double webs your frigate and sets five Hammerhead 2s onto you will crush your frigate.

    I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
    Rot'ni Goan
    Brutor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #12 - 2013-07-09 09:07:23 UTC
    Mike Adoulin wrote:

    It's an old can-baiting trick, actually. Flip their can/wreck in a rookie ship, or some cheap frigate, get shot (and sometimes pop, but hey, its free/cheap), then come back in a OMGWTFPWNZor boat and have your nefarious way with them. 'Neutral' logi alt optional , of course.

    For bonus style points have an orca alt warp in once he took the bait and switch to the bc he's carrying on grid. They can carry your probing and bait ships too and make for a nice mobile base (though not exactly cheap isk&skill wise).
    Praxis Ginimic
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #13 - 2013-07-09 11:58:42 UTC
    I hear tell, but haven't tried it myself, that you can chain duel invites.
    Have a gang trying to bait missioners all over the aystem. If one bites, the suspect sends a duel invite to a gang member who sends one to the next member and so on. Now you all have the limited engagement.
    This is also second hand knowledge so take it for what it is worth and please do let us know if it works out.

    Also, +1 internets for the mobile crime lab orca! Thats f'n hot
    Bi-Mi Lansatha
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #14 - 2013-07-09 12:27:34 UTC
    Phoenix Einherjar wrote:


    Yeah I figured this. Unfortunately I've found it difficult to get carebears to shoot me even in a frigate, and a frigate won't cut it with my skills...
    I am not sure it is worth it, but... as a L4 mission runner myself I can say that there are a few mission that require you to collect an item: data sheets, virus, militants, etc. If you can identify the mission and grab those items you may be able to start a fight. Taunting in local or private message after you have them might do the trick.

    That is a lot of work though.