EVE General Discussion

Remove the skill, easy fix. Market scammer then can try to do pvp in in lowsec with all their leisure time back.

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It's just a typical suggestion from people who lack any sense of proportion. They focus so narrowly on the problem, that they're blind to the damage their "solutions" would cause and fail to take in to account all the good that is being created. They'll happily ruin features and cause severe damage to the functioning of the game trying to solve a problem, that is itself harmless to the well-being of the game.

I have mixed feelings on this, as someone who has been playing eve for quite awhile they are usually painfully obvious to spot... however for a new player its often something they can't anticipate - no amount of careful diligence within the scope of the mechanic (from their perspective) itself reveals the potential flaw there which to me pretty much makes it an exploit.

On the flipside, more by luck than judgement, I've made a fair bit of ISK from either lucky timing or when someones set it up wrong and I happen to already have the item(s) in question.

This already exists, it just takes some slight amount of thought. Just check the item's history. If the "buy order" is for about 50 times as much as the sell history, then it's a margin scam.

Is this too hard, or something?

I just wanted to point out, that what is being pointed out as a problem by the OP is that there is an EXPLOIT (programming error or glitch) that gives the margin trader an unfair advantage.

But many of you posters keep concentrating on SCAMS margin traders that are setting up dishonest trade schemes (dishonest trade schemes) giving them an unfair advantage.

What the responders are saying is that there is no EXPLOIT (no programming bugs or glitches). SCAMS exist all over the place, so BUYER (in this case SELLER) beware.

In other words, there is no problem with how things are working. It's just like everything else in EVE. You have to watch your back at all times. Sellers need to be careful that the buyer willing to pay crazy high prices is not actually trying to scam sellers into buying from somewhere else to sell to the buyer - who had no intention of buying anything.

The Seller spent ISK to get the items to sell, but got left holding the goods. He got scammed, because, although he did buy low to sell high, the low was really already high, and the buyer - buying at a higher price - did not pay. That's a scam. That's not a programming error or glitch in the game.

In other-other words. It's working as intended. (Sorry. Couldn't resist in using the cliche.)

Additionally, the prices of the item in question does not go higher, because the sale took place at the normal high price. No sale took place at the inflated higher price, so the prices of that item will not rise to that inflated higher price. Prices will remain at their normal levels.

An idiot filter? whatever happened to finding things out for yourself the hard way. I have a short memory nowadays, if I make an error I want to remember.

Congratulations, you just completely broke the market. Using a filter to remove buy orders placed with the margin trading skill would filter out about 90% of all the buy orders currently in place.

In short, you're advocating punishing the many legitimate traders who use the skill, to protect the greedy idiots who think they can make a quick profit and end up getting scammed.

If there was an idiot filter implemented for the market, someone would figure a way around it in a matter of minutes. Deviousness and knowledge will triumph over idiocy every time.

Please explain your reasoning.

I'm a trader and the margin trading skill allows me to leverage my isk in a more efficient manner than I could otherwise. It allows traders like myself to maximise income while minimising outlay.