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Criminal aggression transfer - a request
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Kern Hotha
#1 - 2011-10-24 23:20:36 UTC
The problem: a pilot in a fleet can get criminal aggression by stealing from a can, then transfer that aggression to another pilot without any warning. This is becoming more common lately in high security incursion fleets and results in the logistic ships (and sometimes others in the fleet) being destroyed.

The request: Add a warning or indication that a pilot will get a criminal countdown for performing a non-hostile action. The one used for performing an action on war targets would work perfectly.

We distinguish the excellent man from the common man by saying that the former is the one who makes great demands upon himself, and the latter who makes no demands on himself.

Jose Ortega y Gasset (1883 - 1955)
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#2 - 2011-10-24 23:27:35 UTC
There is a warning already, the problem is that people turn it off. Please get a clue before posting.
Kern Hotha
#3 - 2011-10-24 23:48:16 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
There is a warning already, the problem is that people turn it off. Please get a clue before posting.


Oh, really. Take a look at this screenshot and tell me which setting that is.

Settings

Take your own advice and understand the issue before you post.

We distinguish the excellent man from the common man by saying that the former is the one who makes great demands upon himself, and the latter who makes no demands on himself.

Jose Ortega y Gasset (1883 - 1955)
Tarsas Phage
Sniggerdly
#4 - 2011-10-25 01:31:36 UTC
Kern Hotha wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
There is a warning already, the problem is that people turn it off. Please get a clue before posting.


Oh, really. Take a look at this screenshot and tell me which setting that is.

Settings

Take your own advice and understand the issue before you post.


So get off your stinky butt and stay on top of your aggro timer. If you're in an Incursion and it says something other than True Power, you need to immediately raise the issue with your FC.

This might astonish you, but not-insignificant part of this game revolves around paying attention as well as sudden violencing of your ship.
Skarned
Inroads
#5 - 2011-10-25 05:04:04 UTC
Kern Hotha wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
There is a warning already, the problem is that people turn it off. Please get a clue before posting.


Oh, really. Take a look at this screenshot and tell me which setting that is.

Settings

Take your own advice and understand the issue before you post.


I think it's this setting here:

http://i54.tinypic.com/t8vq0i.jpg

You don't have the option to reset it, because it's already at the default value: always warn. You said you were sure.
Vorpheus
Three Sword Inc
#6 - 2011-10-25 05:23:05 UTC
there is NEVER criminal aggression because of STEALING from a can, concord will never respond to thiefery... stealing from a can allows the owner of the can to shoot at the thief, which gives the thief the ability to fight back, all in a 15 minute window...

but it seems like someone in your fleet did a criminal act by shooting something he is not allowed to shoot and the logistics were still repairing this criminal, which should not even happen anymore, if i am right... should have fixed at some patch...
Kern Hotha
#7 - 2011-10-25 06:27:35 UTC
I've heard now that it's not intended for anyone to get aggression this way, and has been reported as an exploit involving corporation membership. Awaiting GM response.

We distinguish the excellent man from the common man by saying that the former is the one who makes great demands upon himself, and the latter who makes no demands on himself.

Jose Ortega y Gasset (1883 - 1955)
Kern Hotha
#8 - 2011-10-25 06:36:56 UTC
Skarned wrote:
[I think it's this setting here:

http://i54.tinypic.com/t8vq0i.jpg

You don't have the option to reset it, because it's already at the default value: always warn. You said you were sure.


You're correct but confused. If you see that setting it means you chose to ignore the warning. In my screenshot you can see that I didn't choose to ignore the warning, so that setting isn't present. Before anything I put a rep on every new ship in an incursion fleet solely to see if that message pops up. It's pretty important not to turn it off while doing incursions.

We distinguish the excellent man from the common man by saying that the former is the one who makes great demands upon himself, and the latter who makes no demands on himself.

Jose Ortega y Gasset (1883 - 1955)
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#9 - 2011-10-25 06:51:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Tallian Saotome
Vorpheus wrote:
there is NEVER GLOBAL criminal aggression because of STEALING from a can, concord will never respond to thiefery... stealing from a can allows the owner of the can to shoot at the thief, which gives the thief the ability to fight back, all in a 15 minute window...

but it seems like someone in your fleet did a criminal act by shooting something he is not allowed to shoot and the logistics were still repairing this criminal, which should not even happen anymore, if i am right... should have fixed at some patch...

fyp

if you check your aggression timers, you will see a new name pop up there if anyone can shoot you. always. every time.

unless your in null Lol

I verified this about a week ago on a corpmate while we were wardecced in lowsec, and yes, I got a criminal cooldown from it, and yes, it was listed in my various cooldowns when I put my mouse over the Aggression warning line in the top left.

Pay attention, and always be ready for non-consensual pvp.

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Hoedagen
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2011-10-25 11:46:13 UTC
don't eat yellow can's


simple


also, if some dumb fleet member does, just ask FC to kick him, all Incursion FC i know don't stand for such asshattery
Jooce McNasty
Islefive Consulting
#11 - 2011-10-25 11:49:20 UTC
This is a standard incursion trick.

Get a player into the Incursion fleet.

Have alt fly near the player.

Drop can

Player in Incursion fleet opens can giving aggression to fleet.

Warp in killing ships and profit from faction fit ships.
magic preacher
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2011-10-28 11:00:40 UTC
Jooce McNasty wrote:
This is a standard incursion trick.

Get a player into the Incursion fleet.

Have alt fly near the player.

Drop can

Player in Incursion fleet opens can giving aggression to fleet.

Warp in killing ships and profit from faction fit ships.


erm wrong
the 'killing ships' would only have aggression against the logistics not against the whole fleet
and the alt would need to be in the same corp as the 'killing ships' for this to work
ofc a well timed removal of the logistics may cause a shiny or two to be popped by the sansha rats but then you would need be able to deal
with the incursion while scooping the loot
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#13 - 2011-10-28 11:02:27 UTC
magic preacher wrote:
Jooce McNasty wrote:
This is a standard incursion trick.

Get a player into the Incursion fleet.

Have alt fly near the player.

Drop can

Player in Incursion fleet opens can giving aggression to fleet.

Warp in killing ships and profit from faction fit ships.


erm wrong
the 'killing ships' would only have aggression against the logistics not against the whole fleet
and the alt would need to be in the same corp as the 'killing ships' for this to work
ofc a well timed removal of the logistics may cause a shiny or two to be popped by the sansha rats but then you would need be able to deal
with the incursion while scooping the loot

The actual trick is the fact that the entire fleet can shoot the red, and someone is always gonna panic when they see him go flashy red... then the rest of his fleet has aggression on the incursion fleet. and can come have fun.

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