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Fat-Cat Doctrine: Game Changer

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#61 - 2013-07-12 21:19:44 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Andre Vauban wrote:
The truth reveals itself. This is XG's master plan to get everybody to join JUSTK!

Our first recruit under this new policy is MinutemanKirk.
Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#62 - 2013-07-12 21:44:54 UTC
The Parisi brothel is now accepting Gallente workers in order to help the Gallente increase their wallets. Work a few nights, you will be able to buy your own Tristan!
Berluth Luthian
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2013-07-12 22:05:42 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
These are all great suggestions, but unfortunately a bit misguided. For example, using smartbombs in FW kills your faction standings - due to you hitting members in your own militia.


That's why like I said you could still spider tank navitas while everyone is staying outside the range of each other's smart bombs.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#64 - 2013-07-12 22:09:25 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Berluth Luthian wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
These are all great suggestions, but unfortunately a bit misguided. For example, using smartbombs in FW kills your faction standings - due to you hitting members in your own militia.


That's why like I said you could still spider tank navitas while everyone is staying outside the range of each other's smart bombs.

Upon further review, this is a brilliant plan. We will have our Ship Fitting Gurus get in touch with yours and we can work out the details of this fleet setup.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#65 - 2013-07-12 23:49:06 UTC
Could you imagine the damage they could do if they found a comparable T2 frig that could use the same setup??? Frightening to say the least. Shocked
Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#66 - 2013-07-13 04:12:22 UTC
I'm bored so I'll bite...

Have a long range kite fleet, say Condor's with missile range rigs and sebo's to boost their engagement range upwards to 50km. You could also use Kestrel's but they would be a bit slower while having more range and dps to work with. Sprinkle them at random points around the ball at ranges between 30-40km so that the drones don't have a big blob of ships they can easily move between. The Tristan's themselves are short range fit, if the fit in OP is still the standard, so they would be no threat to the kiters. The drone swarm would easily kill any ship it catches, but since the kiters are spread out the drones have to spend more time in transit and less time doing dps so the kite fleet has more time to alpha the individual fatcats further reducing overall damage output.

Basically it's the old divide and conquer tactic.

Some additional annoyances for the fatcat fleet could be additional dps wings that warp in on the kite ships that are on the opposite side of the ball as the drone swarm, effectively doubling the distant the swarm would have to travel if it wanted to engage the new ships. The time involved in shifting the drones that far would allow the alpha fleet to target at least a couple of ships before warping off while at the same time reducing the swarm damage to zero since it's in transit. You could have smartbomb fit ships intercept the drones while they are transitioning thus eliminating the issue of the bombs hitting friendlies. The kite ships would also be fit with sensor damps to harass the tristan fc's when they are identified.

jeez that was more of a wall of text than I though Ugh

TL:DR

Kite better, blob less and use drone travel time against them.

...heh kind of ironic that the delayed damage of missile would actually be used to an advantage against the delayed damage of drones.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#67 - 2013-07-13 11:09:41 UTC
Marc Callan wrote:
Zappity wrote:
The problem is that I've never been able to engage with Faction Warfare due to the inevitable pendulum nature of it and the lack of end game. It makes caring about the trolling difficult.



"When the fw farmer saw the breadth of his domain, he wept, for there were no more systems to farm."


fixed.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#68 - 2013-07-13 16:44:18 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Marc Callan wrote:
Zappity wrote:
The problem is that I've never been able to engage with Faction Warfare due to the inevitable pendulum nature of it and the lack of end game. It makes caring about the trolling difficult.

"When the fw farmer saw the breadth of his domain, he wept, for there were no more systems to farm."

fixed.
Sadly, we have been spending too much time trying to counter this Fat-Cat doctrine to farm anything lately. We're starving!
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#69 - 2013-07-13 16:47:39 UTC
Klymer wrote:
..kiting Kestrel... kiting Condor... Kestrel... kiting, Condor, and other solutions full of questionable morality...

Although we may starve to death fighting this Fat-Cat doctrine, we will do so with honor. Kiting missile boats are out of the question.
Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium
#70 - 2013-07-13 17:03:50 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Klymer wrote:
..kiting Kestrel... kiting Condor... Kestrel... kiting, Condor, and other solutions full of questionable morality...

Although we may starve to death fighting this Fat-Cat doctrine, we will do so with honor. Kiting missile boats are out of the question.


Kiting missile boats are for the Caldari pubbies anyways. I say the best way to combat this Fat-Cat doctrine is to fight it with its own juice. Copy the fits, enact it as militia policy, and hope that you can stop the tides from turning by creating your own minimal resource doctrine. Then again, since Khan started this first, it means that no matter what the Gallente do they'll go broke first.

Sad times in Black Rise. Cry

Arma Purgatorium - What is Podded May Never Die

Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#71 - 2013-07-13 17:45:05 UTC
Not sad times. More like, exciting times! It's alwas fun devising new ways to defeat your enemy!
Baron' Soontir Fel
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#72 - 2013-07-14 00:25:09 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Sadly, we have been spending too much time trying to counter this Fat-Cat doctrine to farm anything lately. We're starving!


Takes too much time to counter it, so you use it?
Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#73 - 2013-07-14 04:07:04 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Klymer wrote:
..kiting Kestrel... kiting Condor... Kestrel... kiting, Condor, and other solutions full of questionable morality...

Although we may starve to death fighting this Fat-Cat doctrine, we will do so with honor. Kiting missile boats are out of the question.

I would rather perspire and expire humping my Gallente drones with dignity than stroking missiles into a launcher. It seems the Caldari that adopted the fat-cat doctrine agree. Alternately, we could just declare cultural victory and end the war.

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#74 - 2013-07-14 04:14:12 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Marc Callan wrote:
Zappity wrote:
The problem is that I've never been able to engage with Faction Warfare due to the inevitable pendulum nature of it and the lack of end game. It makes caring about the trolling difficult.

"When the fw farmer saw the breadth of his domain, he wept, for there were no more systems to farm."

fixed.
Sadly, we have been spending too much time trying to counter this Fat-Cat doctrine to farm anything lately. We're starving!




I have a questions about assigning drones.

After the drones are assigned to the fc will they keep attacking as long as the fc is alive or will they stop attacking if you kill the ship that assigned them?

Could the fc use a merlin or punisher?

I'm assuming the drones used the skill bonuses and ship/module bonuses of the person assigning them and not the fc and the fc's ship.



Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

masternerdguy
Doomheim
#75 - 2013-07-14 05:18:05 UTC
I think the problem is you aren't thinking big enough.

To counter a fleet as fierce and innovative as Fat-Cats, simple frigates are not enough.

There is only one way to counter this doctrine: You need to get a fleet of 40 lokis, 40 proteuses, 20 guardians, at a minimum. Adding some triage carriers may be needed.. You will also need a titan and cyno. Hot dropping is the only viable solution.

Although it doesn't guarantee victory, with a little luck and some good FCing I bet the gallente can pull it off.

Things are only impossible until they are not.

X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#76 - 2013-07-14 17:05:11 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Cearain wrote:

I have a questions about assigning drones.

After the drones are assigned to the fc will they keep attacking as long as the fc is alive or will they stop attacking if you kill the ship that assigned them?

Could the fc use a merlin or punisher?

I'm assuming the drones used the skill bonuses and ship/module bonuses of the person assigning them and not the fc and the fc's ship.

I hope this is a question for Kahn. I, personally, don't feel like helping them improve an already terrifying fleet setup by answering your questions.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#77 - 2013-07-14 17:06:27 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:


There is only one way to counter this doctrine: You need to get a fleet of 40 lokis, 40 proteuses, 20 guardians, at a minimum. Adding some triage carriers may be needed.. You will also need a titan and cyno. Hot dropping is the only viable solution.

Couple problems here:
1. Those ships are irrelevant to plex warfare (as anybody from Nulli Secunda should know), and
2. We're broke! How are we supposed to afford those ships??!!!
Ginger Barbarella
#78 - 2013-07-14 17:25:24 UTC
So, bottom-line it for me: is this a sad, bored-on-Sunday troll, or are you actually asking something?

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#79 - 2013-07-14 22:36:54 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
So, bottom-line it for me: is this a sad, bored-on-Sunday troll, or are you actually asking something?
I was reporting to the world about this terrifying fleet setup, and why it is a game changer. So no, not a bored-on-Sunday troll ( the original post was not on a Sunday), nor was I asking for anything - people just started giving their suggestions.
Night Sword
State War Academy
Caldari State
#80 - 2013-07-15 10:46:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Night Sword
Bad Messenger wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Who could possibly find enjoyment in being in such a fleet? Faction Warfare, e-uni style.


in fact khan who makes these fleets is official clown of Caldari miltiia so he has huge number of followers having fun and exploding !



I love how I keep seeing EVERYWHERE members of OMG bashing Khan. Maybe if you spent even half the time you put in talking crap and awoking other FW members into contributing and working together with FW members things would be different


Perhaps not the most interesting of fleet doctrines to fly in out there but certainly is thinking outside the box as opposed to the flavor of the month/cookie cutter fleets