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LordNykkon
My BLT Drive Just Went AWOL
#1 - 2013-07-05 23:29:29 UTC
So, I was running a L4 security mission last night and in the last room drdready warped in after scanning me down, and started killing the enemy ships essentially stealing my bounty, loot and salvage. Since I was in highsec I could not shoot him down and the coward would not accept a duel. He even went as far as targeting me to try to get me to shoot first, but since I was not in the mood to have CONCORD blow up 250mil isk worth of Raven, there was nothing that I could really do except leave.
Now, I am all for Pirates making a living by holding stuff for ransom, or scamming people or even killing miners that are dumb enough to flip a can or fire on them, but this was flat out stealing with no possible recourse. Is there anything that we can do to deter this type of behavior? You get a suspect flag for stealing from another player's wreck, but not for killing their mission NPC's and, in essence stealing their bounty, loot and salvage. This seems like a flaw in the Crimewatch system.
Tyber Zenn
Lumomation
#2 - 2013-07-05 23:36:50 UTC
War dec him, gank him, throw a bounty on him, AWOX him. If you want revenge the only one stopping you from getting it is you.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#3 - 2013-07-05 23:52:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
The NPCs weren't yours, neither was the bounty, loot or salvage. Eve doesn't have instances, if NPCs spawn then they are targets for everybody, regardless of whether or not it's in a deadspace area.

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Tinker Vuld
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-07-06 00:03:33 UTC
The moment drdready invested ammunition in those npc's they were his, nothing stolen here.

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Soylent Jade
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-07-06 00:49:35 UTC
I don't see this ending well for the OP.

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#6 - 2013-07-06 03:06:33 UTC
He's just putting the R back into ISK. A community service.

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Zero Sum Gain
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOM
#7 - 2013-07-06 03:31:17 UTC
Zappity wrote:
He's just putting the R back into ISK. A community service.


Well what risk do you mean? He never put any additional risk on the OP, he maybe made the completing the mission LESS risky by killing the npcs.
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Templis CALSF
#8 - 2013-07-06 04:15:47 UTC
He was helping you finish the mission faster XD

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#9 - 2013-07-06 04:39:29 UTC
Zero Sum Gain wrote:
Zappity wrote:
He's just putting the R back into ISK. A community service.


Well what risk do you mean? He never put any additional risk on the OP, he maybe made the completing the mission LESS risky by killing the npcs.


True, true. But let's not be too hard on drdready, he did his best under the circumstances. It isn't his fault that OP wasn't stupid enough to fall for it. I am surprised he didn't actually! Expecting sympathy from C&P is dubious at best.

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VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#10 - 2013-07-06 07:25:31 UTC  |  Edited by: VegasMirage
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
He was helping you finish the mission faster XD


like when Agerol helped you lose your assets faster Lol

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Q 5
999 HOLDINGS LLC
#11 - 2013-07-06 12:29:50 UTC
Damn, send his ask my way, I could care less if a "ninja" flew in to kill the pirates P I'd laugh all the way to the LP bankBig smile

And if something has changed in the last updates then mission rats were still off limits cause they are the person who owns the mission.

I had an alt I was in fleet with connection dropped and all wrecks were yellow to my alt.

Really tho, they are doing you a favor I wish I could have that happen Sad
Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-07-06 15:37:05 UTC
LordNykkon wrote:
So, I was running a L4 security mission last night and in the last room drdready warped in after scanning me down, and started killing the enemy ships essentially stealing my bounty, loot and salvage.


It isn't YOURs unless you worked for it. No, pressing "Accept Mission" is not enough.
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#13 - 2013-07-06 15:47:12 UTC
It's been a while since I've had quality "he stole my mission!1" tears. Thank you.

And I'm sorry for the 2mil isk you lost. That must be devastating on your income.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#14 - 2013-07-06 17:34:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Q 5 wrote:
Damn, send his ask my way, I could care less if a "ninja" flew in to kill the pirates P I'd laugh all the way to the LP bankBig smile

And if something has changed in the last updates then mission rats were still off limits cause they are the person who owns the mission.

I had an alt I was in fleet with connection dropped and all wrecks were yellow to my alt.

Really tho, they are doing you a favor I wish I could have that happen Sad

You don't own a mission or its contents, never have, never will. The only things that you own in a mission area are your ship, its contents and the loot contained in what you've already shot. Salvage isn't yours until it's in your cargo, NPCs aren't yours if they're not dead at your hands.

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LordNykkon
My BLT Drive Just Went AWOL
#15 - 2013-07-06 17:36:11 UTC
I am not wining, I just wish that I could have fought him when he locked me. This guy has a long history of being an *******. He does it all in highsec cause he knows that he can get away with it. I am all for getting help completing missions faster, but it would be nice to have been fleeted.
LordNykkon
My BLT Drive Just Went AWOL
#16 - 2013-07-06 17:38:27 UTC
So apparently I had the wrong outlook on mission running, Thank you all for opening my eyes to this style level of dickishness that I have been overlooking for years.
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
Heroes and Villains.
#17 - 2013-07-06 17:46:19 UTC
If he warped in and started shooting the rats in a mission where you made mistake and 250m Raven tank was breaking quicker than you could get points off your battle vessel to warp out, you'd call him a hero.

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Donovan Draknevov
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-07-06 21:05:23 UTC
Next time, just follow him and salvage all the wrecks, while also blowing your own fair share up. Let him expend the ammo killing things and snag all the salvage. It doesn't cause you to get flagged if you just salvage and don't go for cargo, and if he shoots at you and blows you up, you get the killrights. Either way, you win.

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#19 - 2013-07-06 21:33:12 UTC
Ha, that's right. If you wanted to fight him you should have looted one of his cans.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#20 - 2013-07-07 02:47:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Sabriz Adoudel
Zappity wrote:
Ha, that's right. If you wanted to fight him you should have looted one of his cans.


This.

If you want to lose a fight with him/her/it, you can blow up one of their cans. That's even faster.

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