EVE General Discussion

Und that makes a difference to the subject that nowadays its absurdly easy to gank a freighter in HighSec because of exactly ..... what?

Because some invested their time and its now their right to "reap the fruits" without end?

Besides ... if these guys really needed 1 year to get the point than plain zerging is the key to success ....

In case you didnt hear about it .... in between there are gank setups out there with exactly 1 Multiboxer ... 1 Bumper + a fleet of 6 Catalysts .... and if the freighter dont die on the first run, he simply comes for a second and puts a t1-freighter down for good. And thats no problem because of this dumb bump-mechanic from ccp where everyone with a sane mind just facepalm's and that you can be bumped without end without the need to refresh the agression timer if you know the mechanics.

There are not only goons out there ....

If it's absurdly easy why don't you go do it?

ITT: Dummies who think high sec should make them safe, and the people who have the patience to keep trying to explain why they're wrong.

"CCP, HE'S TOUCHING ME!"

Can someone who knows the maths explain to this noob what it takes to suicide gank a few different ships; a retreiver, a mackinaw, a procurer, for example?

This bumping thing- It prevents a target from warping away or logging out before death, yes? Is there a way to fit or align or manoever against the ganking tactics?

Other MMOs try for some sort of rock paper scissors type areangement to balance stuff, I gather.

I'm not against Hisec being dangerous, but if there's literally nothing cN be done against it, it seems a bit unbalanced.

As an analogy, my lolsec mining cheapfit vent costs about 400k. I havent got a huge datapool of trips in and out, but I think I average about 3 trips at 1.4mil profit per trip before a pirate webs and kills me. Then I fire up another Vent and go again.

That's obviously me 'winning' in terms of isk lost to isk gained. The suicide gankers are operating in a similar way, I assume (ships lost in isk are the 'cost', but the gain is what? Modules, salvage, tears?)

There is more I can do for fit to make my vent somewhT safer in lolsec, but the investment in better fit would not overcome the losses.

If the losses die to suicide ganks are over time less than the gains made in between ganks, what's the problem?

Isk tanking is an awful idea.

so not absurdly easy then

freighter pilots have to do lots of boring **** in order to consistently stay alive. is freighter piloting "absurdly easy" as well?

If its so easy, why do so few die?

Your ship needs to be at 75% max velocity in the direction of target to initiate warp there, bumping interrupts that by changing the direction you're travelling. It's effective on freighters because they have a low acceleration. A very, very easy tactic to speed warp on freighters is to use a stasis web on them - it affects top speed but not acceleration rate, lowering time to warp. On ships that can be fitted, nanofibre internal structures are excellent for reducing time to warp

Bumping isn't that much of a thing outside these freighter ganks and the occasional neutral war target alt. It's also used to knock ships out of jumping or docking range during normal fights. It's pretty common in PVP, but it's not used to stop people warping - warp disruptors do just fine for that

If you're being killed in lowsec in a Venture, learn to use the Dscan tool to learn if there are ships nearby before you see them. Better not to mine in crowded systems - there are plenty of underpopulated systems in low. Most systems also have stations, you don't need to be jumping in and out of highsec to drop off your ore. With the proper navigation skills trained to 3 or 4 there aren't many ways to get your Venture killed because it's hard to catch frigates on gates or stations in lowsec, especially because the Venture is naturally resistant to warp scrambling modules

A Procurer will usually be ignored in highsec. The Retreiver is easier to gank but I think it can fit an adaptive invuln or a medium shield extender and a damage control unit, which makes gankers look for other, easier targets. Same with the Mackinaw. One or two Catalysts I think can kill an undertanked Retreiver, two or three for the undertanked Mack, but the Mack can be tanked over 40k EHP vs. Antimatter ammo (common ganker guns) which makes people look for easier targets

Those mining ships aren't a good 'for-profit' gank target anymore, unless the pilot fits stupidly expensive modules. A gank will usually be because someone doesn't like you or for laughs

Lowsec pirates shoot everything as a matter of course :P

it's not actually an attack to tell you your post had no content. it didn't. you're a forum alt whose posting history consists entirely of this thread. your posts haven't actually had any substance in them so far. there is nothing to take seriously about you.