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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1761 - 2011-12-28 09:35:46 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
well,let them respond again in this location,even if we don,t like what they say

Do you see the little blue flag that says "DEV" on it when you see this thread in the list of topics? That means a dev has replied to it.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Sakura Imoru
Perkone
Caldari State
#1762 - 2011-12-28 09:44:26 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Disdaine wrote:
All you can do is keep bumping this thread and keeping it alive for us. We appreciate your efforts.

Well I'm glad somebody finally appreciates my efforts in keeping the community informed about the evils of roleplaying. Your kind words have inspired me to Never Stop Posting.


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EVE is a Massively Multiplayer Online Game (MMORPG) that takes place approximately 20.000 years after our times in a galaxy on the far end of the universe. [...]


See what it says there? MMORPG. Massively Multiplayer Online ROLEPLAYING Game. EvE is an RPG by CCP's own definition. If you consider roleplaying evil you better stop playing at once.
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
#1763 - 2011-12-28 10:03:19 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:

do you know what is keeping eve alive?
the sandbox gameplay, the lion-king circle of life of the economic ecosphere, the creation and destruction of all things buildable and destructible.
what product would come out of your barbie dress-up o7m8 /emoting? nothing. and where does wis fit in eve? nowhere

You are right. Because of that we are discussing a WiS that is more than just some walkiing around and emoting. Social interaction is great and I would like that but in the end there has to be more to WiS. As I already said (but you don't seem to read): WiS and FiS can benefit and add to each other, if done right.
But I really appreciate that you finally admit that creation is part of the game Blink. Without creation there is nothing to blow up, without blowing up there is no need of creation, without social interaction the game would be a dead shell. You Goons should know better because you are very involved with social interaction Big smile.

Ladie Harlot wrote:
Well I'm glad somebody finally appreciates my efforts in keeping the community informed about the evils of roleplaying. Your kind words have inspired me to Never Stop Posting.

I think you Goons are the most interesting roleplayers around here. Trolling the whole community most of the time is a really great achievement Big smile. You are great at roleplaying jerks and morons (no offense meant at all, I'm sure most you are are cool guys). I think EVE would be boring without you.

That is your part in the whole social interaction thingy.

A game like EVE is full of people with more or less real or roleplayed emotions. As a (harsh) sandbox EVE is more or less dependend on the social interaction between its players. Offending the wrong people can cause a war in New Eden, having the right friends can get you in a position of power or give you protection etc. pp. EVE is social interaction at its essence. The spaceships are just some "nerdy" visualisation of that (a cool one, I might add Cool).
The point I'm trying to make is this: anything that can help to make social interaction more interesting, more engaging and more meaningful adds to the overall experiance that is EVE. Can WiS actually achieve that? I believe so. It has a good chance to do so. And it could do far more than just add to the social interaction.

I know that now isn't the time to put a majority of CCP devs back to WiS/WoD, they are far better off doing one or two great expansions and polish EVE how it should have been done years ago. Even if many of us WiS supporters would like to have all those nice establishments and features by tomorrow, we have to accept the fact that at the moment it just isn't possible. There are far more urgent things that have to be polished, iterated and revamped. It would be great if WiS could have a future at all, that's all I am asking for. But I'm also aware that it is propably better for CCP to sweep WiS under the carpet for the moment with all those bitter vets lurking around every corner Blink.

So, let's be reasonable. Hopefully we will get some new infos about the future of WiS during the next FanFest or (more likely) later the coming year. I'm fine with that so far and let's be honest: WiS isn't the thing that keeps us playing EVE, is it? Smile


I think I have said everything I have to say about that. Have fun posting Blink.
svetlana
Constellation Guard
#1764 - 2011-12-28 12:01:46 UTC
I want more Walking In Stations. . . combined with Shooting People in Face In Stations, then stuff like run from concord cops, base jump off a corridor down into the core of the station to escape, change clothes, sneak back up to bar, watch cops run around, steal cop uniform, infiltrate concord office, steal concord cruiser, FIS, etc. ala AssassinsCreed in space station.

Fill the station with npc avatars to make it feel occupied, if technology allows, I would be very impressed if the game could support this many characters at once at this quality.

At a minimum I have just sat around in 'stations' chatting with friends for hours and was entertained [particularly in PhantasyStarOnline], but atm we cannot even do that.



Taiwanistan
#1765 - 2011-12-28 13:48:46 UTC
svetlana wrote:
I want more Walking In Stations. . . combined with Shooting People in Face In Stations, then stuff like run from concord cops, base jump off a corridor down into the core of the station to escape, change clothes, sneak back up to bar, watch cops run around, steal cop uniform, infiltrate concord office, steal concord cruiser, FIS, etc. ala AssassinsCreed in space station.

Fill the station with npc avatars to make it feel occupied, if technology allows, I would be very impressed if the game could support this many characters at once at this quality.

At a minimum I have just sat around in 'stations' chatting with friends for hours and was entertained [particularly in PhantasyStarOnline], but atm we cannot even do that.




PhantasyStarOnline

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."

Indahmawar Fazmarai
#1766 - 2011-12-28 14:05:54 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
well,let them respond again in this location,even if we don,t like what they say

Do you see the little blue flag that says "DEV" on it when you see this thread in the list of topics? That means a dev has replied to it.


Yes, CCP Phantom, page 12, to moderate and tell us that Crucible included 3 CQs. Not exactly news and quite not what this thread is about, is it? Roll
Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
#1767 - 2011-12-28 15:10:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuronaga
One might use the old moderator shoehorn tactic.

That is, cause so many EULA violations that the thread has to be cleaned up, and thus forces someone on staff to acknowledge its existence. They would be scared to leave it at that, though, because simply copy/pasting a response on a thread that has obviously garnered so much attention and negativity only ends up multiplying that negativity and customer discontent -- something CCP does not want right now.

One must be careful though -- just enough EULA violating and the thread is cleaned up with the desired result. Too much, and they will just lock it and everyone would be forced to start over again, thus losing all momentum previously gained.


Of course, I, Kuronaga, would never condone such an underhanded, anarchy inspiring tactic. In fact, anyone who did would most certainly be suspended -- and deservedly so! I mean really, who would go out of there way to make more work for the good moderators of this forum?

That said, if someone actually did attempt this I would laugh my ass off.
Taiwanistan
#1768 - 2011-12-28 15:21:47 UTC
really? god damn it i helped build this thread too!

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."

Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1769 - 2011-12-28 18:00:53 UTC
All of you people thinking this is a huge thread are silly. Here is a thread that reached over 400 pages filled with people who didn't want any more WiS nonsense and wanted CCP to work on actual Eve content. Sadly the author of the thread is no longer with CCP because her job was cut when the company lost a ton of money by focusing on WiS.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1770 - 2011-12-28 18:03:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Ladie Harlot wrote:
All of you people thinking this is a huge thread are silly. Here is a thread that reached over 400 pages filled with people who didn't want any more WiS nonsense and wanted CCP to work on actual Eve content. Sadly the author of the thread is no longer with CCP because her job was cut when the company lost a ton of money by focusing on WiS.


Is it the one with
NeX **** is too expensive
non issue
But they gonna sell SP for AUR and polaris frigates and echelions and t20 mods for AUR
RaGe Lets go shoot an statue ?
Best posts in there are the one with ponies.. i payed good ISK to get them in there.

And yes INCARNA was failure from both perspectives.. WiS as well as FiS ..it was failure of EVE.

Also source of the claim that CCP Pann has been fired ??
Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
#1771 - 2011-12-28 20:59:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuronaga
Ladie Harlot wrote:
All of you people thinking this is a huge thread are silly. Here is a thread that reached over 400 pages filled with people who didn't want any more WiS nonsense and wanted CCP to work on actual Eve content. Sadly the author of the thread is no longer with CCP because her job was cut when the company lost a ton of money by focusing on WiS.


They had to fire people because they hired too many damn people to begin with. That was entirely their own fault.

If WoD was never a factor at all, WiS would have had a beefy staff and FiS would have had a beefy staff. They wouldn't have had to overhire and would be doing more cool stuff to generate actual income instead of theory bucks. Dust would be exactly the same since its being made by the chinese and they get paid like 5 cents an hour (this is why they didnt fire anyone from that team). Everything would be getting done correctly.

WoD is most likely vaporware and even if it does launch in 10 years it will probably die a horrible, nonprofitable death like age of conan. When Dust is launched they will be able to re-locate many of the chinese devs to WiS, and if they are intelligent enough to cancel sparkly vampires online we will get a lot of those devs too.


So it's not entirely hopeless, but more of waiting game for them to realize what everyone else already has.
Disdaine
#1772 - 2011-12-29 00:46:09 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
All of you people thinking this is a huge thread are silly. Here is a thread that reached over 400 pages filled with people who didn't want any more WiS nonsense and wanted CCP to work on actual Eve content. Sadly the author of the thread is no longer with CCP because her job was cut when the company lost a ton of money by focusing on WiS.


Bunch of P2W nonsense.

CCP Pann probably just gtfo after being accused of fabricating a family emergency by the raging people she was trying to communicate with.
Zevina
Atomic Core Industries and Science
#1773 - 2011-12-29 00:57:32 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
All of you people thinking this is a huge thread are silly. Here is a thread that reached over 400 pages filled with people who didn't want any more WiS nonsense and wanted CCP to work on actual Eve content. Sadly the author of the thread is no longer with CCP because her job was cut when the company lost a ton of money by focusing on WiS.


This thread and the raging over incarna wasnt about WiS being a bad thing in general and you know that very well.

It was about bad communication, broken promises, hellish performance and a NeX store that was WAY to expansive. Btw yep it still is WAY too expansive, but they gave away sooo MUCH free Aurum that you barely notice it.

So CCP, do something with WiS. Make it the cool feature everyone was waiting for. And get us some new clothes, damn it! :)
Taiwanistan
#1774 - 2011-12-29 02:00:35 UTC
the price of aurem is well-justified
if you want to play barbie dress up you should be punished and suffer
somebody gots to pay for that crap

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."

Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1775 - 2011-12-29 04:00:46 UTC
Zevina wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
All of you people thinking this is a huge thread are silly. Here is a thread that reached over 400 pages filled with people who didn't want any more WiS nonsense and wanted CCP to work on actual Eve content. Sadly the author of the thread is no longer with CCP because her job was cut when the company lost a ton of money by focusing on WiS.


This thread and the raging over incarna wasnt about WiS being a bad thing in general and you know that very well.

It was about bad communication, broken promises, hellish performance and a NeX store that was WAY to expansive. Btw yep it still is WAY too expansive, but they gave away sooo MUCH free Aurum that you barely notice it.

So CCP, do something with WiS. Make it the cool feature everyone was waiting for. And get us some new clothes, damn it! :)

The Nex store, aurum and microtransactions are all tied to WiS. Over 400 pages of an almost completely unified playerbase sent the message that we don't want real Eve content to take a back seat to roleplaying nonsense. This thread, like I have said before, is a small handful of misguided people and their alts arguing for CCP to go back to destroying their game and they only account for a fraction of the posts in a 90 page thread.

The community has spoken and CCP has responded. Stop trying to reverse the positive direction the game is currently taking.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Disdaine
#1776 - 2011-12-29 04:38:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Disdaine
Ladie Harlot wrote:

The Nex store, aurum and microtransactions are all tied to WiS. Over 400 pages of an almost completely unified playerbase sent the message that we don't want real Eve content to take a back seat to roleplaying nonsense. This thread, like I have said before, is a small handful of misguided people and their alts arguing for CCP to go back to destroying their game and they only account for a fraction of the posts in a 90 page thread.

The community has spoken and CCP has responded. Stop trying to reverse the positive direction the game is currently taking.


I see you forgot to mention WoD there.

Convenient.

WiS, by-product of WoD.

NeX, modified LP-store.

Guess where the development resources went....
Beaches
#1777 - 2011-12-29 04:45:04 UTC
Most people want WiS, why would you be against an expansion to the EVE universe? You'd have to be a goon attempting to troll while simultaneously being counter productive or something equally as bland and stupid. The implementation of Incarna was horrible, I quit for a while because of it, among other things. I didn't shoot a statue like some sort of dunce though.

WiS will be great and I hope they come out with it sooner rather than later, we've been waiting a long time.

Consider this a bump.
Taiwanistan
#1778 - 2011-12-29 05:26:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Taiwanistan
Most people don't want WiS, why would you be for an useless expansion to the EVE universe? You'd have to be a barbie lover attempting to troll while simultaneously being counter productive or something equally as bland and stupid. The implementation of Incarna was horrible, I have cq turned off. I didn't shoot a statue like some sort of dunce though.

WiS is **** and *will always be **** and I hope they complete the abortion already we've been waiting a long time.

Consider this a bump.

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."

Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1779 - 2011-12-29 06:34:44 UTC
Beaches wrote:
Most people want WiS,

No matter how many times you say this it's never going to be true.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1780 - 2011-12-29 06:36:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Beaches wrote:
Most people want WiS,

No matter how many times you say this it's never going to be true.


Most people playing EVE dont care either way. As long as general gameplay is kept interesting.
Altho most people playing EVE doing lvl IV missions *cough* so its kind of interesting on itself.