EVE General Discussion

If I showed you a something back from the summer of 2010 that demonstrated CCP did not intend any game play with WIS would that change your mind?

There has never been any indication that ccp intended much in the way of real game play in WIS. Just allot of walking and looking at other avatars. If I am wrong please show me where CCP has ever demonstrated that Walking in stations would be more than walking and virtual store clerks.

I can also show you that it wasn’t just the roll out that got players upset. They were upset that CCP was putting so many resources into incarna well before the incarna release. Indeed look at the posts from the summer of rage 2010. Look at the responses to CCP Zulus dev blog where he explains how many people are working on incarna. That dev blog was a response to the outrage caused because of the 18 month timeline that was going to be dedicated to incarna.

Seriously look back at the forums. Look at the CSM minutes from june of 2010. This rage isn’t new or due to “poor implantation” it’s because players recognize, and have recognized all along, there isn’t much to a “no combat wis.”

There have always been *some* players who want incarna but the vast majority of those responses were that CCP needs to focus on FIS.

I agree players have talked about different things including combat. But CCP made it clear they intend no combat in wis.

People keep saying that players were upset that WIS was not "properly implented." However, they really fail to mention what they want. The best ideas that come up are being a store clerk/bartender.

"Open the door." Ok and then what walk down a hall? Sit a virtual bar and watch your computer avatar have a virtual drink? Walk around a city like they do in other mmos? I agree all that will be nice and will make me go “eww and ahh” the first time I see it. But with no real game play to it I won't be there more than once or twice unless they force me to.

Shiny graphics are nice but the amount of time to create a whole new area of the game that offers nothing but shiny graphics is not smart. Not when eve has so much room for improvement in the core game. Which btw is a great core game.

Given that the hardware in todays computers can barely support a single room with one avatar - it makes no sense for ccp to beat their head against a wall trying to make huge rooms with hundreds of avatars. They have very detailed figures. They did a great job with them. They need to wait until the hardware catches up and hopefully makes the software design side easier.

They do not need whiney threads where a poster after getting 2 dev blogs about WIS improvements says:
”I am sad that CCP hasn't even bothered an update on this subject.”
And then about a day later pouts:
“They have made it cleat the WiS is no longer being worked on after this expansion....”
CCP is to be congratulated on really trying to make eve better with this winter expansion. Complaining that we haven’t heard from them about incarna in the last few weeks is crap.

I am a big fan of fw. For my gameplay that mechanic is the main thing I care about. But I am glad ccp is doing other things that the players asked for. (Even if I don’t want some of them, which I don’t) Comparing ccps few weeks of neglect of WIS to the over a year neglect of FW is ridiculous. I am not going to whine about FW though. Because I am glad ccp is at least responding to players.

They will get to FW and make it great. It’s too obvious that FW could make this game explode in numbers to ignore it.

Seriously wait until the hardware catches up a bit. Then they can make wis better without spending an unreasonable amount of resources on it.

So if they said this then why did you write "I am sad that CCP hasn't even bothered an update on this subject." They did update you. You just didn't like it. Are you expecting updates more than every 2 months?

lol, so I've got one guy saying I invented a new type of make-believe math, and now you chalk my perception and opinions on the game up as misconceptions that are thus irrelevant. Let me put it to you straight so there's no confusion.

My post summarized:

1) FiS is what started this game
2) People came to the game (and stayed) for FiS (as I also said, if you were banking on a major shift to WiS, sucks to be you)
3) The game will always be about FiS, else why is it a space-sim and not an upgraded graphics version of second life?
4) There are not enough people FiS right now to consider eve crowded or massive or making full use of the available FiS content.
5) Any more reasons to give people content that is not FiS will result in even fewer people FiS, thus that content is bad for FiS.
6) WiS or any other non FiS content piece will not win over enough users from other MMOs to make up for the lost FiS interaction as a result of introducing non FiS content.
6) **** WiS
7) Good job on EVE CCP, me love you long time.

Agree or disagree, but my make believe math and irrelevant opinions are neither.

New bottom line summary statement for my position on this topic:
Even if WiS is the greatest thing since sliced bread, it is not good for EvE because it will take player-hours AWAY from FiS. As soon as a player makes the choice to stay WiS, that has an instant, tangible, and irreplaceable impact on the MMO environment of FiS. If you purport that WiS will augment or enhance FiS (as I saw in a previous post) Show me how player-hours spent WiS can ever be replaced in FiS. You can't prove it because it's a "0"-sum equation. Players are either WiS or FiS at any moment in time. Limit the interest in WiS and keep people undocking to play the game. Please.

So.... Science and Industry, Invention, Market Trading, PI.... they need to go too because they are not "OMG FLYING IN SPACE"?

CCP says Eve is a scifi simulation. Not just a space game. Already enough none FiS content to prove that.

Sorry, you fail.

Issler

Its not entirely true.
However only "FiS" no "WiS" people seems to miss the difference between my opinion and fact.

And if it exist it harms you. How exactly ?

And wouldnt it be easier to make just NPCs sell all ? for enabling FiS only ?

Anyway WiS can provide needed ISK sink. As well as PLEX sink. Just saying.

I came to the same conclusion a couple of weeks ago.


Anyway,

I hope CCP's vision of turning this game into a Science Fiction Virtual Universe becomes a reality. That includes doing PvP and PvE in both WiS and FiS.


When that happens, we'll all be able to say 'Eve Is Real'.

It's not a debate, it's a forum thread on the internet.

Pretty much agreed. The main beef over walking in stations was that it was clearly detracting CCP's attention from the core element of the game while offering very little in its initial form. Seemingly the only reason to have it at that stage was to justify the the Aurum store.

That aside, with changes to space stuff coming along, any WiS stuff only seems worthwhile 'forcing' on the player if it involves player interaction. There should be no reason to have to walk about just to interact with science, PI, industry or what have you.