EVE General Discussion

You guys who are all concerned about dressup, are getting 3 new stations to walk in, and probably some new clothes will be coming in. (CCP doesn't really advertise this much because, unlike some people, they have figured out their demographic doesn't really care about dress up.)

FW is only geting a bpc sold cheaper in its lp store as best anyone can tell.

You don't have the right to ***** like FW players.

If you want some new pair of pants then start a proposal in assembly hall. Thats what we had to do for what we wanted in fw. 3 years after they were accepted by csm we are still waiting.

You can complain after ccp has an incarna roundtable at fanfest, that no devs show up at it.

In the meantime why don't you be happy that ccp is working on both fis and wis. Or are you only happy when ccp was only working on WIS like they were for the last 20 months?

Sad panda, how your life must be challenged living in a fact free universe.

WiS is not "dress up". Train "creativity" to at least lvl 2 to understand how your world view is so limited.

FW was initially implemented with a fair amount of functionality. WiS was not. The only single player instance MMORPG experience in the history of computer gaming. And all work in WiS is "on ice". They are NOT working on both. The are finally delivering something already developed related to WiS.

And your false claim they were only working on WiS for the last 20 months shows you are either a troll of daft. They were focused on other games.

And I created alts and alt corps just for FW so I have direct experience with the appointment's that has been. Oh, and CCP has said FW work will be delivered in patches post the expansion, where WiS is dead after the expansion. So at least read a little before you post krap.

Issler

They said the other three stations weren't totally complete when the first one shipped and they were going to finish them up as patches after Incarna was first released. They then added them to the "expansion"/patch called "Crucible".

There isn't a blog about FW but in the last of the dev comments about the expansion the said FW was coming shortly after the expansion was deployed so they haven't shared what but FW is being worked on. They have made it cleat the WiS is no longer being worked on after this expansion.

And CCP has never posted about "dress up", calling WiS that is a typical troll comment.

You called it "dress up" so you are limited in your ability to comprehend how something might be enjoyable to someone other than you. That you only see it that way immediately disqualifies you from any conversation about WiS.

Issler

Quoted for poorly thought out arguments and make believe maths.

Some players want EVE, others do not. Same as Faction warfare. Same as PVP. Same as any particular thing you can do in EVE.

Which is it Issler?

They came out with 2 dev blogs (maybe more there was one about shaders with your avatar too) about changes in the latest expansion dealing with WIS, and you pout. Are you upset that its no longer the case that every dev blog is talking about WIS?

And sorry, the fact that I recognize wis is really just dress up does not make me a troll. It makes me a realist. I see things for what they are. You seem so obsessed with some vision of what you think computer gaming and walking in stations will be in the year 3000 that you are missing reality. Reality is WIS is Dress up.

There are too many misconceptions in this post for it to be relevant. I don't know how many times CCP has stated that EvE is a "Space SciFi Simulator". This does not just mean "spaceship game". They want to make EvE the full deal which includes getting out of your ship and walking around. This includes ground combat on planets. Likely something very limited in scope for the EvE client so they made DUST. I support CCP doing what they want to do to make this game their vision. I support working on WiS and FiS independantly as they see fit using whatever resources they desire. I also support the players who seem to think they know whats best and telling CCP what to do shutting the **** up and playing the game instead of whining on the forums about how they never get any attention.

/rant

What is going to happen when CCP finally decides to revisit and finish WiS to be what they visioned it to be? Are the FiS babies going to start throwning tantrums again because all the attention isn't focused on them? Are there going to be more riots in Jita? Will players with PC's that can't run WiS cry about how they can't use it so it's worthless? Will people whine about a feature they aren't even forced to use and can simply ignore?

I think CCP should do whatever the hell they want with EvE. There is absolutely nothing wrong with WiS except that it brings out the ignorance and blind hatred of people who don't understand the simple fact that EvE will need to expand and grow to survive in the MMO world. Again...this means finishing WiS eventually.

Well said. And they didn't say that WiS is no longer being worked on after this expansion. At least I have never seen anything from a Dev or otherwise to that effect. They did state that they were shelving it in favor of more iteration on FiS. Which they have done with the winter expansion and I am sure they will continue to do so in the future but I doubt they are going to just not work on WiS. They will come back to it.

Personally, i appreciate that he/she brought up the matter and has continued to keep the thread alive... Anything said after the original post is irrelevant really, as the message remains the same; some people want WIS.

I haven't read through the entire thread but i doubt that this is all about people wanting to play dress-up games. I think it's more that they want the game to evolve in addition to improving the existing experience.

Yes there is allot of vague talk about how wis will "improve the experience." But whenever anyone gets concrete it boils down to dress up, and maybe (if ccp really dedicates allot of resources) virtual store clerk.

Cearain, I"m quoting you because your point needs to be addressed, but I'll cover a couple of other points as well that seem to have been forgotten about or buried as this thread grows.

Because I enjoy most of your posts (but disagree with you on this matter) I'll address your post first.

WIS content was never mean to focus on dress up. While costomization of content is becoming a much larger focus for EVE it unfortunately has a strong connection in peoples minds with clothing and the NeX store. We are seeing the fruits of the underlying work that has been in progress for quite some time to make customization possilbe not only for WIS but also for FIS content.

No, WIS content was always about adding a new dimension to EVE. One that can stand alone if wanted, but that at it's core worked with and enhanced FIS content as well. Unfortunately, the initial release of the core technology was incredibly badly handled and chose the worst possible content to showcase. It didn't help that while CCP knew what potential this new area of game play had, they focused so much on the mechanics of it (due to it being fundamental to other projects as well) that they neglected planning the path that content would take properly.

A myriad of idea's have been proposed for WIS content. Idea's that compliment FIS content with WIS content that makes logical sense to be done by an Avatar instead of a boy in a bubble plugged into a starship. To say that there hasn't been extensive discussion of interesting possibilities is inaccurate. Granted, those conversations usually get drown out by people that have such a bad taste in their mouth over the initial offering they are easily overlooked... so your comment is pretty understandable.

As to the rest, no statement has been made that WIS has been cancelled. It WAS annouced that WOD development was put on the back burner for now (understandably) and since we all know of the clear connection between the two it is assumed that means WIS is as well. But "on the back burner" does not mean cancelled, and now that the core mechanics are in place WIS development is not entirely dependent on WOD development.

I hesitate to speak for all people pushing for further WIS content, but if I were to put it in a nutshell "most" of these people...

... do NOT want WIS to consist of "dress up".
... they do not want WIS to detract from FIS content development.

... they do want WIS development to be continue with a reasonable and responsible amount of dev resources devoted to it.
... they do want WIS content that makes sense, is engaging and fun, and that compliments and enhances FIS content.
... they do want the technology running smoothly and efficiently before release.
... they do want WIS content to be fully involved (one way or another) with player based industry.
... they want it to be (or now to continue to be) optional.

Personally, I don't find that unreasonable.