EVE General Discussion

The problem with the community and its stance with WIS was that CCP themselves poisoned it.

It is now tainted and polluted in the minds of many.


The problem goes back to the time that WiS was going to be non-optional. We were told that a future release, perhaps one the releases we had by now, would have forced us to walk in stations.

WiS didn't work for a lot of people. Cards overheated and the graphics of the character walking was, and still is, poor. We were told that we were to get used to it because in the future, every time we docked that is what we were going to get.

As a consequence of this WiS we were told that we could have a NeX store where we could, possibly, buy game changing items for real life cash courtesy of this new currency.

We all saw what happened next.


Yes, CCP has back-pedelled on the compulsory requirement on WiS, yes it has gone back on pay-to-win or the possibiliy of pay-to-win. But the fact remains that we have this useless curerrency, clothes which look dreadful when the character walks and, above all, to many the chalice is well and truly poisoned.


What's my view on this? The same that it's always been. I have no problems with WiS as an option. It should be as much as option as is Planetary Interaction but having seen what little has been done with so many resources over so long a period of time I don't believe that CCP can and will deliver WiS as we envisage. I also believe that CCP had better get its core product back on track whilst it works out what do with this collosal strategical mis-managment of affairs. For this I have been mis-labelled a WiS hater. No, I am not, I doubt it but I wouldn't mind a working version which offers something.


Players have blamed others for the job-losses. That is misplaced blame. The fault lay entirely with CCP for the poor planning and misdirection of resouces as well as making the mistake of attempting to break the sandbox.

If CCP put every man, woman and child in their offices into WiS development then it wouldn't be delivered before the game collapses. Anyone who has been in software will have, or should have, read 'The Mythical Man Month' will know what I mean.

The only way that CCP can save this game is to sort out the mess that are the broken spaceships. Then, and only then, can they look at WiS again and, first, to properly determine if it can be done and then, secondly, determine what can be done and, thirdly, go and implement something.

And, all the while, they have to remember that they have given the player base a poisoned chalice in the past and they have to turn people's memories around. The fault, all along, lies with CCP's management and everyone, particularly those who have lost their jobs, have paid for it.

Most of the co-called WiS haters' aren't haters of WiS they hate the idea of the of development resources being taken away from the core concept of the game and the fact that CCP treated the players badly. For these players then can be forgiven for demanding the CCP wins back their trust and WiS is a core concern for their distrust.



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Someone wants to be naughty in WiS and play Doctor really bad...

The problem with WiS is that CCP came up with it and like a drug, you junkies won't give up your unhealthy addiction to it which has also affected your mind for too long... like syphilis.

FiS is currently what it is all about and CCP shouldn't stop working to improve/fix content that we are faced with today.

WiS is in a very early stage, and i assume it won't add any meaningful game play soon, even if it was a priority project.

WiS has potential however and while i prefer that FiS takes precedent , WiS shouldn't be abandoned.


I understand that as a company CCP has grown and now has about 8x more employees as it started with?

Why not take on a challenge, make FiS and WiS a simultaneous project and impress all your customers with your eagerness to please.

this is what I would think Ideal

Thanks for the break down, that's actually very informative.

I wonder about that last bit too in a lot of threads. Just for the record, if anyone ever asks to see my list of likes I suppose I could screenshot it and post it on EVE files (bless Chribba's stoney heart), but I don't think the way it's set up that a screenshot would be very informative.

I do have a small army of alts, but the only time they have ever been logged into CCP's web site is if I need to get an API key for them.

I believe those in the pro WiS camp (yours truly included) are not liking CCP's all-out 'either/or' policy. First they completely ignored FiS, wanting to force WiS down our throats at all cost; and now they're about to make the same mistake twice: doing a full 180C, going FiS only.

CCP, why go from one extreme to the other?! Panic? Sure, I buy that. But you'd think it should have subsided by now, and been replaced with a more moderate sense of taking the middle ground.

That wont happen because the CCP forum moderators close any other threads with WiS/FiS discussion and direct them here. So a pro dump WiS thread wont pop up on the forum and if it does it wont last long.

We can only base stats off of what we see in this thread and remembering also that only a small portion of the userbase use the forums anyway. Hence the suggestion of using a poll at login if CCP want more accurate figures on who would like to see what.

This.

If you can do everything in the station without having to walk around for 20 minutes by using the normal interface and menus, then you're not gonna walk around for 20 minutes. The only alternative would be to force everyone to walk around by removing the menus and interface, which would be the worst idea of all time.

Without adding some sort of gameplay element that interests people, wasting any more time in developing WiS would be pointless.

the problem is they released teaser video's YEARS back, of a dude walking thru a station, a pub, into a war room complete with holo display. That set the expectations. CCP knew this.

They give us Mr Gimpy locked in solitary confinment instead.

Whatever they had - its obvious they somehow fubard it up, big time.

My hopes for WiS died with Incarna. And never again will i ever want CCP to work on it anywhere near as much because we know damn well if they do FiS suffers - and 99% of eve content = FiS.

Can you believe how much work is being done, how many promices are finaly being forfilled, and dreams realised since CCP realised they ****** up and did a massive reshuffle? Its insane. And eve has been starved these resources for far, far too long.


I am glad this whole debarcle happend, if it did not, many of us would still be Unsubbed.

And i am sorry to you WiSers, but its obvious CCP can never forfill that promice without shafting the rest of eve, so may you're hopes of space barbies die quietly and go away so we can enjoy FiS as it's reborn once more.

Wow Alot of reading.

I am for WIS but not at the starving of FIS. WIS will bring in a larger player base and help fight the law of attrition which will happen to any game no matter who awsome it is.

WIS is using Carbon and to the sounds of it it is ready to start implementing stuff.
The CQ are complete and have been built in sections so those elements can be reused to build the additional components of Eve's WIS.

In the original design of eve – the script – had walking in station and in 2008/7 CCP felt it that technology had progressed far along enough to implement this original feature. I was scraped, and Carbon was developed in hope use the same technology to build 2 games, Eve's Online WIS and WoD.

The Unreal Engine is only being used for Dust 514 not WIS

Wis is the test bed for WOD. Progressing with WIS does not need WOD to keep going, and any development for WIS will go towards WOD's future. Just the leveraging support from WOD just won't be there.

CCP trys to be transparent to the community, which often back fires as the vocal community begins to demand and dictate what CCP is to do. Any attempt to be visionary will meet extreme resistance as the vocal community suffering from group think, Preferring to have the devil they know than the unknown.
The denying of core play like FIS for evegate, PI, and the development of Incarna, items that FIS players don't see as benefit to them, just strengthened their fears. With that Faith of fickle players will disappear quickly.

Now CCP, is switching gears, with sincerity and cut jobs. It has shown its hand. We the vocal community has a say in the direction of what CCP, and Eve has to say. If that is the case we need to be responsible in our actions.

So I say with my voice that WIS should be developed, but at a slower speed. I an not one for cancelling my subscription if they don't though, but I if they do, I will be able to attract some of my friends into the game that think this is just a game of ships.

For those who think the WIS is useless. Let me say this

I am more than a Machine I am a human.
-I want to control a small market that can only be reached in side the station, where I can sell and buy from people I choose to interact with.
-I want a place that my casual playing friends who now have girl friends or now have family can still say hi to me and join me in a game of something that lasts only 30 mins.
--->Mini Games, Virtual 1V1 Simulators. Gambling games.
-I want a place the the players can set the security of the station to allow sections of the station to be similar security levels like eve in space... Paying the right prices... NPC stations have the Highest security unless they are Pirate factions Stations. The lower rating areas contain the Seedier elements of the station, Slaves, Boosters, assassination missions. The higher rating areas would be Stock Exchanges, high class promenade deck, Legal NPC givers, often seen on the station tab.
- I want to have Bots that I can program to missions for eve players to complete though the use of book marks, unique markers, and collection of Corpses.
- I want command centres that have Interactive star maps that provide real time intel collecting information and live footage from the front lines.
- Ability to build/ sell Clothing though Items collected from Dust 514 – I will have an alt that place Dust 514 that not only will be shooting people but be collecting goods in the middle of a fire fight- The spoils of war. Ninja Loot!
- Have Live events stream to the Local WIS bar near you. Ships built to stream live action Video to WIS screens opening up the ability to eve become a Spectator's Sport. Something that filling up the void in games covered in this talk about “Pro Gaming” - All Eve tournaments on constant loop feed.
- Allow me to Set up a repair shop in the station, taking repair out of NPC hands into mine. Allow me to add a temp bonus to a ship
-Eventually I would like WIS to turn in to Walking in space so I can disembark from my ship into sleeper sites and explore those instances and kill or be killed, Chance of coming across griefers, who blow up my ship etc as covered in Fan fest.
-And what would be expected
--> I want to have a bar I can sit and Do some role playing – which is what Most WIS disliker think all WIS can be.
--> Allow me to buy/Make Stuff to decorate me apartment.

That is my opinion.