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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#521 - 2011-10-28 22:27:02 UTC
The WiS engine simply isn't ready to support gameplay expansions. Deal with it and get over it.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Pent'nor
#522 - 2011-10-28 22:48:08 UTC
There are probably a few plans that would make the wis crowd happy because I just want to know what the plan is or know that they have not given up on it.

Plans that include a small team (meaning we are working on it but its not a priority)
1. Move the remaining wod team to wis. (They may have some sort of obligation, I don't know)
2. Keep a small team that can work on some aspect of wis. (Doesn't have to be coding, there are lots of other things too)
3. Keep that art department working on wis since they have said before that it was a bottleneck

Plans that do not require a team. (I don't like these but I would be content to know there is a plan)
1. No progress on wis will be made until they finish dust because it is too many projects
2. No progress on wis until the winter expansion is done, then they will look at balancing development

Plans that I really do not like (I DO NOT support any of these! And would not be happy)
1. Say nothing about wis and leave it in the air because to say what their plan or lack of plan is may result in unsubs.
2. Wis was only meant for wod so when they start large development for wod again, they will look at wis also.
3. They really have no plan and are waiting to see how the playerbase reacts to news of fis only
4. They will come back to wis when they get a certain number of subs
5. They will come back to wis when a few years have gone by
6. They will never come back to wis

No matter what the plan maybe, i would encourage people to NOT unsub because of it, as some kind of protest. Unsubs only hurt the company in a time when they are already having money issues. Support ccp and make your voice known through the forums and if the csm is not addressing your concerns, then next time make sure to vote for one that does.
Jita Alt666
#523 - 2011-10-28 22:52:49 UTC
Pent'nor wrote:
There are probably a few plans that would make the wis crowd happy because I just want to know what the plan is or know that they have not given up on it.

Plans that include a small team (meaning we are working on it but its not a priority)
1. Move the remaining wod team to wis. (They may have some sort of obligation, I don't know)
2. Keep a small team that can work on some aspect of wis. (Doesn't have to be coding, there are lots of other things too)
3. Keep that art department working on wis since they have said before that it was a bottleneck

Plans that do not require a team. (I don't like these but I would be content to know there is a plan)
1. No progress on wis will be made until they finish dust because it is too many projects
2. No progress on wis until the winter expansion is done, then they will look at balancing development

Plans that I really do not like (I DO NOT support any of these! And would not be happy)
1. Say nothing about wis and leave it in the air because to say what their plan or lack of plan is may result in unsubs.
2. Wis was only meant for wod so when they start large development for wod again, they will look at wis also.
3. They really have no plan and are waiting to see how the playerbase reacts to news of fis only
4. They will come back to wis when they get a certain number of subs
5. They will come back to wis when a few years have gone by
6. They will never come back to wis

No matter what the plan maybe, i would encourage people to NOT unsub because of it, as some kind of protest. Unsubs only hurt the company in a time when they are already having money issues. Support ccp and make your voice known through the forums and if the csm is not addressing your concerns, then next time make sure to vote for one that does.


Bolded underlined and italiced the typical CCP course of action.
Yvan Ratamnim
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#524 - 2011-10-28 22:53:28 UTC
I have to say, i want WiS badly but done with atleast minimal multiplayer to start.....


But i want WiS as a secondary to FiS... FiS should have priority but there should be a small core team working on WiS development continually atleast get us corp offices and establishments.
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#525 - 2011-10-28 22:56:46 UTC
Ranka Mei wrote:
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
[..]Its just the ppl that are now crying cause they shelved WiS that are pissing me off.


Why would you be pissed off by them? WiS lovers (yours truly included) were promised WiS. Very emphatically, for months. By Hilmar himself, and every other high-up CCP employee. In fact, you couldn't use a crowbar to beat the idea out of them, even if you tried. WiS was coming, to a theatre near us very soon, and no amount of arguing was ever gonna change their mind.

Then, all of a sudden, it's like: "Nope, changed my mind! You're not getting WiS after all. We'll deploy the bits and pieces we already have done, for good measure, and then we'll shelve the lot (and since we don't ever finish the stuff we do promise to complete even, you realize, of course, you can kiss WiS goodbye, right?)."

So, I ask, who has cause to be pissed? Or at the very least has cause to ask CCP to undue this mindjob they just pulled on us, and, I dunno, keep a promise for a change.


yet another WiS-er that ignores the fact that they had to drop 20% of the staff FOR A REASON
AND that you got two years of non stop attention while FiS SAT.

You should be grateful they didnt rip what you HAVE of WiS out of the game instead of them working on it after the work on FiS (That theyve neglected, again for two years to work on WiS)

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#526 - 2011-10-28 22:59:01 UTC
Mekela wrote:
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Agree. Has there been any clear indicator from CCP over the past 18 months showing how it would not be boring?


Um are you kidding, lets start with the "future of EVE" add as a starter. Then lets look at the fanfest WiS they presented us. Also all the dev blogs for the last couple years about all the things we were going to be able to do.

Things I was really looking forward to -


  • Gathering rooms. It would be nice to see a representation of the people you are speaking with on TS or Vent or even Eve speak.
  • Interactive Agents. Getting missions or doing anything with an NPC is about the most boring thing in this game. WiS is a great way to liven things up and to make missions a bit more exciting when you meet in the back alley to discuss the trouble he is asking you to get into.
  • Customization of our avatars, our living quarters , as well as the bars and shops we were going to set up. One of the biggest draw backs for EVE is the confomatity of everything. They finally had a way to allow me to express myself as an individual rather than my ship and 100 other players whos ships that looked exactly like mine as my respresentation. (I still think Eve is stupid to not allow some type of customization for the ships, even if it is just a 2 color adjustment bar letting my ship have my colors rather than exactly the same a every other ship)


I am sure there are other things that other people were looking forward to but these are the ones on my list.


They tried.
They failed.

get over it

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#527 - 2011-10-28 23:04:19 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:

Was Very sad to see FIS put aside.


I think the decisions at the top of CCP screwed their plans, not the actual things that were happening. They really failed to make the players happy due to rushed decisions and arrogant execution.




fixt

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#528 - 2011-10-28 23:05:47 UTC
Zleon Leigh wrote:
@OP No, never wanted WiS. Still don't.

Just in case you were counting votes


apparently theyre only counting votes FOR WiS not against them, sorry.

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#529 - 2011-10-28 23:30:12 UTC
Richard Hammond II wrote:
Zleon Leigh wrote:
@OP No, never wanted WiS. Still don't.

Just in case you were counting votes


apparently theyre only counting votes FOR WiS not against them, sorry.


If there was a way to make this a poll I would have gladly done it. Never said everyone wanted it, I just said a non-trivial amount of us do and 1029 thread likes as of now make that point.

Issler
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#530 - 2011-10-28 23:32:06 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Richard Hammond II wrote:
Zleon Leigh wrote:
@OP No, never wanted WiS. Still don't.

Just in case you were counting votes


apparently theyre only counting votes FOR WiS not against them, sorry.


If there was a way to make this a poll I would have gladly done it. Never said everyone wanted it, I just said a non-trivial amount of us do and 1029 thread likes as of now make that point.

Issler


yeah.... cause likes matter

as someone said earlier, 1000 pages in three day, significant. 500 in 5 days not so, especially when half that number are nay sayers or alts

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#531 - 2011-10-29 00:19:06 UTC
Richard Hammond II wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Richard Hammond II wrote:
Zleon Leigh wrote:
@OP No, never wanted WiS. Still don't.

Just in case you were counting votes


apparently theyre only counting votes FOR WiS not against them, sorry.


If there was a way to make this a poll I would have gladly done it. Never said everyone wanted it, I just said a non-trivial amount of us do and 1029 thread likes as of now make that point.

Issler


yeah.... cause likes matter

as someone said earlier, 1000 pages in three day, significant. 500 in 5 days not so, especially when half that number are nay sayers or alts


I personally don't put a lot of emphasis on the number of "likes" in a thread, but at least it doesn't have none. Smile

I do feel the need to point out that a large number of the posts in that thread were nay sayers (believe it or not), and a HUGE number of them were blatant troll posts (by people that freely admitted they were trolling both sides for maximum effect).

But you are quite right, the people that hope Incarna won't be permanently shelved are not as emotionally invested as those who spoke out against the incredible string of screw ups going on at the time of Incarna's release... thank god. Smile
I have absolutely no desire to go through something like that again.

By the same token, most people advocating in favor of WIS content are not asking for CCP to scrap their FIS plans for the Winter release... or even change them.

Many simply want to let CCP know that they still like the concept, and to please not shelve it completely. Instead devote a sensible portion of resources to it when they can, actually develop a sensible framework of appropriate content for it that whenever possible enhances FIS content, and above all don't gimp FIS content development unduly in the process this time.

Make a plan, make sure it's a good plan, check with us to get confirmation it's a good plan, and THEN start work developing it.

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Jita Alt666
#532 - 2011-10-29 01:49:11 UTC
Richard Hammond II wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Richard Hammond II wrote:
Zleon Leigh wrote:
@OP No, never wanted WiS. Still don't.

Just in case you were counting votes


apparently theyre only counting votes FOR WiS not against them, sorry.


If there was a way to make this a poll I would have gladly done it. Never said everyone wanted it, I just said a non-trivial amount of us do and 1029 thread likes as of now make that point.

Issler


yeah.... cause likes matter

as someone said earlier, 1000 pages in three day, significant. 500 in 5 days not so, especially when half that number are nay sayers or alts



That was me. For accuracy I was referring to the Incarna feedback thread which reached some 12000 replies in 3 days where as this thread is on 520ish after 5 days
Lord Wiggin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#533 - 2011-10-29 02:17:42 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
The WiS engine simply isn't ready to support gameplay expansions. Deal with it and get over it.


Which is what makes it really sad....for four years they have been promising WIS....and they apparently still can't deliver it. Shocked
It's no wonder that some people are still on the fence, their track record of implementing major changes is not very good. Oops
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#534 - 2011-10-29 03:45:40 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Richard Hammond II wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Richard Hammond II wrote:
Zleon Leigh wrote:
@OP No, never wanted WiS. Still don't.

Just in case you were counting votes


apparently theyre only counting votes FOR WiS not against them, sorry.


If there was a way to make this a poll I would have gladly done it. Never said everyone wanted it, I just said a non-trivial amount of us do and 1029 thread likes as of now make that point.

Issler


yeah.... cause likes matter

as someone said earlier, 1000 pages in three day, significant. 500 in 5 days not so, especially when half that number are nay sayers or alts



That was me. For accuracy I was referring to the Incarna feedback thread which reached some 12000 replies in 3 days where as this thread is on 520ish after 5 days


I think the first guy was referring to real threadnaughts
IE "an open letter to CCP" during T20

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
#535 - 2011-10-29 03:56:50 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Richard Hammond II wrote:
Zleon Leigh wrote:
@OP No, never wanted WiS. Still don't.

Just in case you were counting votes


apparently theyre only counting votes FOR WiS not against them, sorry.


If there was a way to make this a poll I would have gladly done it. Never said everyone wanted it, I just said a non-trivial amount of us do and 1029 thread likes as of now make that point.

Issler

The likes system doesn't work that way, a lot of the 'likes' in this thread are actually for posts against WiS. Out of 1035 likes (at time of posting) there are only 86 for your original post.

If you wanted to be accurate then you would have to tally up both the positive and negative 'likes' in this thread.

The total likes for this thread overall is not a good barometer for positive interest in WiS content.

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Captain Alcatraz
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#536 - 2011-10-29 04:08:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Alcatraz
WiS is cool if it includes smuggling, black market, establishments, bars etc.

Not so cool if it's a single player room that doubles the client ram usage and that burns CPUs.

To reach its fully featured and functional state, it will have taken 10x the amount of work required to build the same amount of features for the space game, as they have to build the tech from scratch as they develop it. And in the end it dosnt add much if anything to the core of the game, it's a world on its own. That's the problem of WIS.
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#537 - 2011-10-29 06:14:22 UTC
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Richard Hammond II wrote:
Zleon Leigh wrote:
@OP No, never wanted WiS. Still don't.

Just in case you were counting votes


apparently theyre only counting votes FOR WiS not against them, sorry.


If there was a way to make this a poll I would have gladly done it. Never said everyone wanted it, I just said a non-trivial amount of us do and 1029 thread likes as of now make that point.

Issler

The likes system doesn't work that way, a lot of the 'likes' in this thread are actually for posts against WiS. Out of 1035 likes (at time of posting) there are only 86 for your original post.

If you wanted to be accurate then you would have to tally up both the positive and negative 'likes' in this thread.

The total likes for this thread overall is not a good barometer for positive interest in WiS content.


roflmao 86/1035

yeah a "majority"

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#538 - 2011-10-29 06:45:28 UTC
I read this thread, then I go and read Hilmar's groveling apology.

People simple will not learn, nor wake up and smell the coffee.

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Hershman
Creepers Corporation
#539 - 2011-10-29 07:01:10 UTC
Pent'nor wrote:
There are probably a few plans that would make the wis crowd happy because I just want to know what the plan is or know that they have not given up on it.

Plans that include a small team (meaning we are working on it but its not a priority)
1. Move the remaining wod team to wis. (They may have some sort of obligation, I don't know)
2. Keep a small team that can work on some aspect of wis. (Doesn't have to be coding, there are lots of other things too)
3. Keep that art department working on wis since they have said before that it was a bottleneck

Plans that do not require a team. (I don't like these but I would be content to know there is a plan)
1. No progress on wis will be made until they finish dust because it is too many projects
2. No progress on wis until the winter expansion is done, then they will look at balancing development

Plans that I really do not like (I DO NOT support any of these! And would not be happy)
1. Say nothing about wis and leave it in the air because to say what their plan or lack of plan is may result in unsubs.
2. Wis was only meant for wod so when they start large development for wod again, they will look at wis also.
3. They really have no plan and are waiting to see how the playerbase reacts to news of fis only
4. They will come back to wis when they get a certain number of subs
5. They will come back to wis when a few years have gone by
6. They will never come back to wis

No matter what the plan maybe, i would encourage people to NOT unsub because of it, as some kind of protest. Unsubs only hurt the company in a time when they are already having money issues. Support ccp and make your voice known through the forums and if the csm is not addressing your concerns, then next time make sure to vote for one that does.



I agree with you wholeheartedly. News of WiS being handled by a specialist team would be magnificent.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#540 - 2011-10-29 07:50:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Desert Ice78 wrote:
I read this thread, then I go and read Hilmar's groveling apology.

People simple will not learn, nor wake up and smell the coffee.


Well, actually they do learn.

When you do something the wrong way and fail, if that thing was worthwhile you learn from your mistakes and go back and do it correctly the next time.

A lot of people think the WIS concept was worthwhile, and would like it to be revisited when possible... but this time with an appropriate plan in pace ahead of time to do it correctly and not stomp on FIS content development in the process.

Mmmmm, that coffee smells good.... Smile

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