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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#441 - 2011-10-27 02:30:23 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:
That should tell CCP what the communities feelings are regarding WiS.

They got all the information they needed when thousands of accounts got canceled over the summer.


To say all the unsubs were because adding ambulation to Eve is such a bad idea that folks quit over it is just wrong.

I'm not even going to repeat why folks left Eve this summer, you can find my post if you care, but the lame CQ version of ambulation was a small part of a lot of bad thinking on the part of CCP that caused folks to leave.

Issler
Shu Jia
Mineski Infinity
Pandemic Horde
#442 - 2011-10-27 02:51:09 UTC
promise is a promise. Man should honour their promises.CCP , I want to open the DOOR....
Pent'nor
#443 - 2011-10-27 03:03:23 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Here is my view on WIS.


I understand and agree with you. I don't want to harm ccp. They should do what ever they think is best for the survival of eve online. This being said, I will never unsub because they stopped working on wis. My unsub will naturally occur when I get tired of the game (as I have in the past), but so far I have always come back to eve. I would love it if eve had both aspects of a fis and wis game. Then when I get tired of fis, then I can jump over to a wis environment where i'm still playing eve, but just in a different way (Basically two games in one). This is the direction that I thought ccp was going, but they made some bad choices along the way. Probably just stretching themselves too thin with all of the projects they had going and running into money problems. The only reason why I feel compelled to post in the forums is because it sounded like they were abandoning wis and had no plans on returning to it.

I am curious as to what the csm thinks about all of this. They are suppost to be the voice of the playerbase, but I haven't seen any of them posting. Or maybe I just don't know who they are. But from everything I've read in this topic, I can say that Issler is voicing my concerns very well, giving options, and listening to what others have to say from both sides.
Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#444 - 2011-10-27 09:40:50 UTC
I still don't see why it has to be either/or. We can have both. Fix the FiS stuff first obviously (it won't take much), and then finish the WiS. What's wrong with the screens we saw three years ago, with bars, concourses, etc.? It was gorgeous! I don't see why it all has to be shelved just because of a few fixes with FiS. Ok, four new BCs are impressive and I understand that maybe in the next expansion it wouldn't be feasible, but to shelve it indefinitely? What else is there to do after this patch? FiS isn't THAT broken, and most of the bigger fixes and balances will be in the next patch.

The door needs to open.
Bomberlocks
Bombercorp
#445 - 2011-10-27 09:51:56 UTC
Astenion wrote:
I still don't see why it has to be either/or. We can have both. Fix the FiS stuff first obviously (it won't take much), and then finish the WiS. What's wrong with the screens we saw three years ago, with bars, concourses, etc.? It was gorgeous! I don't see why it all has to be shelved just because of a few fixes with FiS. Ok, four new BCs are impressive and I understand that maybe in the next expansion it wouldn't be feasible, but to shelve it indefinitely? What else is there to do after this patch? FiS isn't THAT broken, and most of the bigger fixes and balances will be in the next patch.

The door needs to open.

You will have both. It's just going to be a while. I have no idea how CCP's somewhat chaotic internal planning looks like, but I imagine that they're going to be very busy with the Dust link next year, and I suppose that WiS will get attention after that sometime, probably around early 2013 or so, or :18months: as we call it in the industry.
Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#446 - 2011-10-27 10:07:33 UTC
Bomberlocks wrote:
Astenion wrote:
I still don't see why it has to be either/or. We can have both. Fix the FiS stuff first obviously (it won't take much), and then finish the WiS. What's wrong with the screens we saw three years ago, with bars, concourses, etc.? It was gorgeous! I don't see why it all has to be shelved just because of a few fixes with FiS. Ok, four new BCs are impressive and I understand that maybe in the next expansion it wouldn't be feasible, but to shelve it indefinitely? What else is there to do after this patch? FiS isn't THAT broken, and most of the bigger fixes and balances will be in the next patch.

The door needs to open.

You will have both. It's just going to be a while. I have no idea how CCP's somewhat chaotic internal planning looks like, but I imagine that they're going to be very busy with the Dust link next year, and I suppose that WiS will get attention after that sometime, probably around early 2013 or so, or :18months: as we call it in the industry.


Of course we'll eventually get it, but getting it in two years puts us right back to where we were when they first announced it, doesn't it?

It's going to look really bad when Dust comes out before WiS...something they've already had since 2008. Essentially, they will have developed an entirely new video game and released it before we get the chance to walk around in a bar. Pret-ty sad.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#447 - 2011-10-27 11:18:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
WIS is what made me interested in eve so yeah, i want it.

I like flying spaceships but it's not enough to keep me interested in the game and willing to put up with the games controls and UI.

I want walk in stations to be a game on it's own really (mass effect / fallout style RPG) but if it doesn't add anything meaningful or come out soon, i don't think i'll be playing much longer.

In summery: I want WIS to be a real game not some second life bullshit or i'm out!

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#448 - 2011-10-27 11:45:43 UTC
Other than fixing all the problems and finishing existing game content, there isn't that many options left available to add new game content to FiS. I'm not talking about adding new ships to the 100's already available or making some sort of new super weapon. I'm talking about new content such as exploration, w-holes, Incursions, FW, etc. FiS is just about done played out, combining FiS and WiS is the Final Frontier which will open up much more new game content for years to come.

Multiple scenarios pertaining to WiS for new game content has been posted at various times in this thread. I'm not talking about playing poker or getting lap dances from NPC strippers. DUST is designed to be interactive with Eve. That alone should add more game content ranging from dropping supplies to FPS forces planetside to creating blockades in space to keep enemy forces from being resupplied. WiS could have FPS action of sanctioned 1v1 arenas to full out deck by deck combat to liberate invaded stations. It could even be something simple such as meeting a new special agent to do some sort of black market deal. The possibility's are endless.

Bomberlocks wrote:
However: Issler if you feel that strongly about it, vote with your money and unsub, organise a rage protest the same way that there was one back in June over Monoclegate. If the issue is important enough, then people will follow you. You can then go post on erroneous-pile-dare Blink about it to get moral support (Good luck with that, btw).


This type of attitude is what's killing Eve. The mass un-subs and bad press during the summer inflicted a mortal wound to Eve Online which may never be healed. The constant forum bickering and trolling, posting of Doom and Gloom, Rage quits, etc, only succeeds in driving players away from this game.

Everyone needs to accept the fact that in order for Eve Online to survive and grow it needs to change by expanding it's current game content. The combination of DUST and EVE with FiS and WiS will accomplish that. We the players need to change our mind set and be open to that change.

To those that can't adapt, go jump into the nearest Bio-Vat and be done with it.

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#449 - 2011-10-27 12:56:54 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Other than fixing all the problems and finishing existing game content, there isn't that many options left available to add new game content to FiS. I'm not talking about adding new ships to the 100's already available or making some sort of new super weapon. I'm talking about new content such as exploration, w-holes, Incursions, FW, etc. FiS is just about done played out, combining FiS and WiS is the Final Frontier which will open up much more new game content for years to come.

Multiple scenarios pertaining to WiS for new game content has been posted at various times in this thread. I'm not talking about playing poker or getting lap dances from NPC strippers. DUST is designed to be interactive with Eve. That alone should add more game content ranging from dropping supplies to FPS forces planetside to creating blockades in space to keep enemy forces from being resupplied. WiS could have FPS action of sanctioned 1v1 arenas to full out deck by deck combat to liberate invaded stations. It could even be something simple such as meeting a new special agent to do some sort of black market deal. The possibility's are endless.

Bomberlocks wrote:
However: Issler if you feel that strongly about it, vote with your money and unsub, organise a rage protest the same way that there was one back in June over Monoclegate. If the issue is important enough, then people will follow you. You can then go post on erroneous-pile-dare Blink about it to get moral support (Good luck with that, btw).


This type of attitude is what's killing Eve. The mass un-subs and bad press during the summer inflicted a mortal wound to Eve Online which may never be healed. The constant forum bickering and trolling, posting of Doom and Gloom, Rage quits, etc, only succeeds in driving players away from this game.

Everyone needs to accept the fact that in order for Eve Online to survive and grow it needs to change by expanding it's current game content. The combination of DUST and EVE with FiS and WiS will accomplish that. We the players need to change our mind set and be open to that change.

To those that can't adapt, go jump into the nearest Bio-Vat and be done with it.



A rough number with roughly estimated numbers:

8% subs down= some 400,000ish $ less per month
Burn rate of 1 developer = some 4,000ish $ per month
Firing 100 developers = some 400,000ish $ less burn rate per month

Twisted

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Valari Nala Zena
Perkone
Caldari State
#450 - 2011-10-27 13:12:28 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:
That should tell CCP what the communities feelings are regarding WiS.

They got all the information they needed when thousands of accounts got canceled over the summer.

And i suppose that is all because of WiS and nothing else?
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#451 - 2011-10-27 13:18:30 UTC
No...whats ruining EvE are the ignorant a-holes that seem to think they should be able to control CCP and what they do with EvE. The immature brats that cry and whine everytime something is changed that they don't like and then throw a tantrum and ragequit when they don't get their way. It's the jackholes that are too narrowminded and blind to see that there is a huge number of gamers out there that don't play EvE simply because you can't ever see your character. Then theres the dumbasses that seem to think there is something wrong with wanting to see your character. It's the blatant disregard for the fact that CCP is a company that is here to make money not pander to little babies whims. It's the tunnelvision nubs that can't see past their precious ship spinning and spaceship in space to see that WiS and DUST will breathe new life into EvE, bring in even more subscribers than the little crybabies that ragequit and eventually due to the new subs allow CCP to do even more with FiS than ever before. It's also the morons that refuse to admit that WiS can be a good thing, that don't want anything to do with it and seem to think nobody else should either and refuse to just shut the **** up about it and let others enjoy the game the way they want to. It's also the dipsticks that can't just ignore NeX if they don't like it and seem to think that if they don't like it then nobody else could possibly like it.

CCP needs to buckle down...get this massive FiS expansion for this winter rolled out and then finish WiS. There is enough room with expansions to be able to do a WiS expansion in the Summer and a FiS expansion in the Winter each year.

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#452 - 2011-10-27 16:07:18 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Other than fixing all the problems and finishing existing game content, there isn't that many options left available to add new game content to FiS. I'm not talking about adding new ships to the 100's already available or making some sort of new super weapon. I'm talking about new content such as exploration, w-holes, Incursions, FW, etc. FiS is just about done played out, combining FiS and WiS is the Final Frontier which will open up much more new game content for years to come.

Multiple scenarios pertaining to WiS for new game content has been posted at various times in this thread. I'm not talking about playing poker or getting lap dances from NPC strippers. DUST is designed to be interactive with Eve. That alone should add more game content ranging from dropping supplies to FPS forces planetside to creating blockades in space to keep enemy forces from being resupplied. WiS could have FPS action of sanctioned 1v1 arenas to full out deck by deck combat to liberate invaded stations. It could even be something simple such as meeting a new special agent to do some sort of black market deal. The possibility's are endless.

Bomberlocks wrote:
However: Issler if you feel that strongly about it, vote with your money and unsub, organise a rage protest the same way that there was one back in June over Monoclegate. If the issue is important enough, then people will follow you. You can then go post on erroneous-pile-dare Blink about it to get moral support (Good luck with that, btw).


This type of attitude is what's killing Eve. The mass un-subs and bad press during the summer inflicted a mortal wound to Eve Online which may never be healed. The constant forum bickering and trolling, posting of Doom and Gloom, Rage quits, etc, only succeeds in driving players away from this game.

Everyone needs to accept the fact that in order for Eve Online to survive and grow it needs to change by expanding it's current game content. The combination of DUST and EVE with FiS and WiS will accomplish that. We the players need to change our mind set and be open to that change.

To those that can't adapt, go jump into the nearest Bio-Vat and be done with it.



A rough number with roughly estimated numbers:

8% subs down= some 400,000ish $ less per month
Burn rate of 1 developer = some 4,000ish $ per month
Firing 100 developers = some 400,000ish $ less burn rate per month

Twisted


OK, so how do these roughly estimated numbers relate to what I posted?

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#453 - 2011-10-27 16:31:47 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:


What this thread did show is how many folks don't have the slightest idea of where RP fits in MMOs and how badly CCP has failed to support that in Eve. How something as simple as WiS with a corp meeting room, an NPC in a recruiting office or as a mission agent or a bar to gather in would make Eve 10000% more immersive.

Some folks like to say such intellectually impressive comments like "go back to wow!" but I don't see Blizzard laying off 20% of their staff. Fact is Eve can make FiS 500% better and without WiS it stays a niche game and CCP will slowly die on the vine or eventually find a game that can appeal to a broader audience and Eve dies anyways.

Issler


Spew hyperbolic nonsense often?

I am a internet spaceship captain in RL so I refute your claim that CCP is not supporting RP in the game and again, when I play the speculation game on the market, when I plot or when I simply blow someone up or whatever, I am pretty immersed already. Which renders WiS completely irrelevant.

Now you are just making a straw man. EVE is a niche game but it has steadily grown since 2003 and considering its age, no one can call that dying and the only fact here is that you have nothing to back that up, that EVE wouldn't survive, which I should point out that it has, without WiS because of its niche nature so to claim that CCP will go under without WiS is just plainly stupid.

And Blizzard, like any other "good" employer, did lay off about 500 people in February 2011. I thought you should know since you have done your research poorly.


They pulled the plug on guitar hero because they had lost the segment. Even in the layoffs they continued to aggressively recruit for WoW.

You can ignore many of the other posters in this thread that point how they want WIS for RP but it doesn't make you right.

Trends in Eve subscriptions are not encouraging and while I don't claim its dying yet I'd argue that WiS would increase the appeal of Eve to many more gamers and revenues to CCP would climb. But it isn't likely now unless CCP wakes up that we'll ever know.

Issler


Which is completely beside the point. I pointed out that Blizzard do lay people off when you said that they do not.

Nor would it make sense for CCP to invest in WiS, just because some players want it when there is no guarantee that it will appeal to a broader audience or be a sustainable source of income. And I highly doubt that WiS will ever be profitable for CCP because since its implementation, WiS and the NeX store have been a sore point with the players (causing mass unsubscriptions) instead of a steady source of income for CCP. That is hard for anyone to ignore.

So again, I wonder why should CCP even bother with WiS when it does not generate a sustainable revenue.

I disagree, CCP has woken up which explains the sudden re-focus into the core of what makes EVE a great game - Flying in Space. Business is concluded and there is nothing else to discuss. Don't let the DOOR hit your ass on the way out.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

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Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#454 - 2011-10-27 16:54:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Kengutsi Akira
Pent'nor wrote:
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Here is my view on WIS. [/url]


I understand and agree with you. I don't want to harm ccp. They should do what ever they think is best for the survival of eve online. This being said, I will never unsub because they stopped working on wis. My unsub will naturally occur when I get tired of the game (as I have in the past), but so far I have always come back to eve. I would love it if eve had both aspects of a fis and wis game. Then when I get tired of fis, then I can jump over to a wis environment where i'm still playing eve, but just in a different way (Basically two games in one). This is the direction that I thought ccp was going, but they made some bad choices along the way. Probably just stretching themselves too thin with all of the projects they had going and running into money problems. The only reason why I feel compelled to post in the forums is because it sounded like they were abandoning wis and had no plans on returning to it.

I am curious as to what the csm thinks about all of this. They are suppost to be the voice of the playerbase, but I haven't seen any of them posting. Or maybe I just don't know who they are. But from everything I've read in this topic, I can say that Issler is voicing my concerns very well, giving options, and listening to what others have to say from both sides.


Youd know them they have a tag on their name that says "CSM"
Theyre posting on other threads, so they must not think this IS a concern. Welcome to the world of "why the CSM is useless." If your concern does not line up with their concern you can screw yourself. Also, they tend to laugh at that "They are supposed to be the voice of the playerbase" thing

Astenion wrote:
I still don't see why it has to be either/or. We can have both. Fix the FiS stuff first obviously (it won't take much), and then finish the WiS. What's wrong with the screens we saw three years ago, with bars, concourses, etc.? It was gorgeous! I don't see why it all has to be shelved just because of a few fixes with FiS. Ok, four new BCs are impressive and I understand that maybe in the next expansion it wouldn't be feasible, but to shelve it indefinitely? What else is there to do after this patch? FiS isn't THAT broken, and most of the bigger fixes and balances will be in the next patch.

The door needs to open.


Because the last two years SHOWED US CCP cant do either/or. They focussed on WiS/Dust/WoD and let the rest of EVE sit. Mind you that was with 20% more workers. Yes, we think they could just move the WoD dev team to WiS devs instead but Im betting theres a reason they cant, otherwise why waste devs and money on a game that is essentially vaporware at this point?

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#455 - 2011-10-27 17:02:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Kengutsi Akira
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Pent'nor wrote:
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Here is my view on WIS. [/url]


I understand and agree with you. I don't want to harm ccp. They should do what ever they think is best for the survival of eve online. This being said, I will never unsub because they stopped working on wis. My unsub will naturally occur when I get tired of the game (as I have in the past), but so far I have always come back to eve. I would love it if eve had both aspects of a fis and wis game. Then when I get tired of fis, then I can jump over to a wis environment where i'm still playing eve, but just in a different way (Basically two games in one). This is the direction that I thought ccp was going, but they made some bad choices along the way. Probably just stretching themselves too thin with all of the projects they had going and running into money problems. The only reason why I feel compelled to post in the forums is because it sounded like they were abandoning wis and had no plans on returning to it.

I am curious as to what the csm thinks about all of this. They are suppost to be the voice of the playerbase, but I haven't seen any of them posting. Or maybe I just don't know who they are. But from everything I've read in this topic, I can say that Issler is voicing my concerns very well, giving options, and listening to what others have to say from both sides.


Youd know them they have a tag on their name that says "CSM"
Theyre posting on other threads, so they must not think this IS a concern. Welcome to the world of "why the CSM is useless." If your concern does not line up with their concern you can screw yourself. Also, they tend to laugh at that "They are supposed to be the voice of the playerbase" thing

Astenion wrote:
I still don't see why it has to be either/or. We can have both. Fix the FiS stuff first obviously (it won't take much), and then finish the WiS. What's wrong with the screens we saw three years ago, with bars, concourses, etc.? It was gorgeous! I don't see why it all has to be shelved just because of a few fixes with FiS. Ok, four new BCs are impressive and I understand that maybe in the next expansion it wouldn't be feasible, but to shelve it indefinitely? What else is there to do after this patch? FiS isn't THAT broken, and most of the bigger fixes and balances will be in the next patch.

The door needs to open.


Because the last two years SHOWED US CCP cant do either/or. They focussed on WiS/Dust/WoD and let the rest of EVE sit. Mind you that was with 20% more workers. Yes, we think they could just move the WoD dev team to WiS devs instead but Im betting theres a reason they cant, otherwise why waste devs and money on a game that is essentially vaporware at this point?


DeMichael Crimson wrote:

Multiple scenarios pertaining to WiS for new game content has been posted at various times in this thread. I'm not talking about playing poker or getting lap dances from NPC strippers. DUST is designed to be interactive with Eve. That alone should add more game content ranging from dropping supplies to FPS forces planetside to creating blockades in space to keep enemy forces from being resupplied. WiS could have FPS action of sanctioned 1v1 arenas to full out deck by deck combat to liberate invaded stations. It could even be something simple such as meeting a new special agent to do some sort of black market deal. The possibility's are endless.




as I said earlier in this thread, im betting they looked at the technology available to them with WiS and then decided they couldnt do anything useful with it (that and the fact that it was betaing WoD technology so once they decided to shut down WoD they saw no use in continuing WiS). I dont know why they dont (as I also said earlier) take the Unreal 3 engine theyre using for Dust and work it into WiS that way WiS is based on Dust instead of WiS being based on WoD (A game that likely wont come out now).

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Hershman
Creepers Corporation
#456 - 2011-10-27 17:05:47 UTC
Interesting. I see a lot of casual players coming in and saying their two cents about WiS, and how they had been mildly fond of the idea and are upset to hear it is being dropped because apparently the "Eve Community" has protested it so strongly.

At the same time, I see a lot of the same people coming here to whine over and over again about how WiS is a terrible idea. Those same people that are still butthurt about Nex, Fearless and pretty much anything else they can whine about.

So which is it CCP? As a company do you spite the silent and respectful majority of loyal casual players, just to cater to these few children?




No, much like dealing with immature children, these reactions are predictable. Mr. Hilmar is taking the right stance from experience, when he wrote "this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say."

The very loud vocal minority here should be ignored, for the end result will bring a more dynamic and engaging Eve for us, the real players. We are the partisans for the true good of Eve, even though we do not cry as loudly as the few spoiled children.

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Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#457 - 2011-10-27 17:06:34 UTC
(too many quotes :P)

Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
No...whats ruining EvE are the ignorant a-holes that seem to think they should be able to control CCP and what they do with EvE. The immature brats that cry and whine everytime something is changed that they don't like and then throw a tantrum and ragequit when they don't get their way. It's the jackholes that are too narrowminded and blind to see that there is a huge number of gamers out there that don't play EvE simply because you can't ever see your character. Then theres the dumbasses that seem to think there is something wrong with wanting to see your character. It's the blatant disregard for the fact that CCP is a company that is here to make money not pander to little babies whims. It's the tunnelvision nubs that can't see past their precious ship spinning and spaceship in space to see that WiS and DUST will breathe new life into EvE, bring in even more subscribers than the little crybabies that ragequit and eventually due to the new subs allow CCP to do even more with FiS than ever before. It's also the morons that refuse to admit that WiS can be a good thing, that don't want anything to do with it and seem to think nobody else should either and refuse to just shut the **** up about it and let others enjoy the game the way they want to. It's also the dipsticks that can't just ignore NeX if they don't like it and seem to think that if they don't like it then nobody else could possibly like it..


Note: this includes you and the WiS lovers too

funny that if you quote Jita's link it gives you an error - that wasnt in the original post - more quality CCP Web team work - are they ever planning fixing this by the way?

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#458 - 2011-10-27 17:08:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Kengutsi Akira
Hershman wrote:
Interesting. I see a lot of casual players coming in and saying their two cents about WiS, and how they had been mildly fond of the idea and are upset to hear it is being dropped because apparently the "Eve Community" has protested it so strongly.

At the same time, I see a lot of the same people coming here to whine over and over again about how WiS is a terrible idea. Those same people that are still butthurt about Nex, Fearless and pretty much anything else they can whine about.

So which is it CCP? As a company do you spite the silent and respectful majority of loyal casual players, just to cater to these few children?




No, much like dealing with immature children, these reactions are predictable. Mr. Hilmar is taking the right stance from experience, when he wrote "this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say."

The very loud vocal minority here should be ignored, for the end result will bring a more dynamic and engaging Eve for us, the real players. We are the partisans for the true good of Eve, even though we do not cry as loudly as the few spoiled children.


They did. Hence why theyre focussing on FIS not WIS

love this line:

"We are the partisans for the true good of Eve, even though we do not cry as loudly as the few spoiled children.[/quote]"

Thats what EVERYONE says, including the Goons and them more often than anyone lol

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#459 - 2011-10-27 17:30:40 UTC
No idea what this is about but it sounds like utter PiS(s).

Dodixie > Hek
Hershman
Creepers Corporation
#460 - 2011-10-27 17:32:49 UTC
Kengutsi, why don't you give other people a chance to respond for once. Nearly every page of this thread is littered with your nonstop posting. Shouldn't you be in school right now?

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